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It's a hilarious and performative fall from grace from those who idolize free markets, say the government should not "pick winners", and rail against the nanny state.
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Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs
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Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs
#32It’s exactly as absurd as the alternative legislation to “phase out” (what a bizarre turn of phrase) ICE vehicles. And I say this as an EV owner. The concept of banning one tech or another in this way is backwards thinking and stems from ignorance of the power and beauty of market economics. People (in the aggregate) will buy the products that work best for them at the price they can afford. Now it’s true those produ…
You seem to be under the impression that humans are rational, Homo economicus types. This is...simply not the case. To say the least.
Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs
#33The stated goal, according to the legislators proposing this, is to "ensure the stability" of the oil and gas industry. Humankind's ability to reach new heights of stupidity never ceases to amaze me.
Don't worry, at this rate there is a point where the height of stupidity will fall back to zero, in good part caused by the height of stupidity reached in the previous decades.
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There are still very serious concerns with Used Market values, and the ablity for people to not buy a ticking time bomb that is a battery replacement on the used market Unless that is solved EV;s will never break 20-30% of sales
Used cars are already ticking time bombs because of the engine, transmissions, etc…being able to measure battery wear definitively without hiring an mechanic to closely go over it actually makes an EV a much safer used car buy than an ICE.
>>being able to measure battery wear definitively
That is the problem right there, I do not believe they can do that that definitively, and there are more than a few horror stories already where a person buys a Used EV, the battery tested fine on purchase, but then just a few months later a cell goes out... and since you can not just replace a single cell well now they have a $20,000 bill often more than the car is worth
>>Used cars are already ticking time bombs because of the engine, transmissions, etc
this is a known risk already assimilated into the market, with network of repair options and 3rd party parts dealers to lower the cost of repairs
EV manufacturers are trying (often successfully) at blocking these 3rd party repair options and making the cost to repair an EV $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs
#35The stated goal, according to the legislators proposing this, is to "ensure the stability" of the oil and gas industry. Humankind's ability to reach new heights of stupidity never ceases to amaze me.
Lithium, cobalt and other related metals don’t come from the sky, entire ecosystems (mostly from the 3rd world) are destroyed so that those metals can make their way into batteries for EVs.
Accusing the oil industry for destroying the world while cheering for EVs reminds me of that meme with two Spider-Man characters pointing at each other.
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Doesn't matter, most big car OEMs are going to stop ICE production somewhere around he 2035 mark anyway, whether there are laws or not. Doesn't mean it illegal to own old ICE vehicles so, just that there won't any new ones being sold anymore.
It will take several decades to upgrade the grid to handle EVs. Look at places like California where the grid can’t even keep up with air conditioners, and they want to charge tens of millions of cars with it? Building power plants and electric infrastructure takes decades. And if electricity is less reliable and more expensive than gasoline (which is what will inevitably happen in any market where demand is greater…
You may be right, but as I understand it, charging is cheaper if limited to the evening/night and demand on the grid is much, much lower.
Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs
#37Funny how this is an outrage, but the opposite is totally cool. I assume they are just pointing out this blatant hypocrisy with this move :)
Maybe you could say double standards, but... hypocrisy? The side making pro-EV laws has never claimed love for unfettered free markets so where's the hypocrisy?
Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs
#38Funny how this is an outrage, but the opposite is totally cool. I assume they are just pointing out this blatant hypocrisy with this move :)
It's not hypocrisy, the other side isn't now saying "we need freedom of choice" they're still fine with the principle of banning things, they just want the other thing banned, simple disagreement.
Another example, politician A makes a personal attack, politician B says personal attacks are wrong and then makes one themselves = hypocrisy. If they just reply with another personal attack without the moral objection = not hypocrisy.
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Definitely performative, just like the similar legislation by nation states and US states trying to make internal combustion cars illegal. California has the infrastructure and population all squeezed into valleys/coastlines combined with very temperate climate making it perfect for EVs. Wyoming has it's population spread out equally everywhere and has little EV infrastructure and terribly cold climate. But neither o…
Doesn't matter, most big car OEMs are going to stop ICE production somewhere around he 2035 mark anyway, whether there are laws or not. Doesn't mean it illegal to own old ICE vehicles so, just that there won't any new ones being sold anymore.
The funny part is that Wyoming is too small a market to change automakers strategy. If they enacted this,
It would result in their citizens just not being able to buy new cars in 15 years.