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Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by ohjeez »

JohnBooty wrote: post #55
ohjeez wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well as the OP on this one, I contemplated changing the headline (which was too long in any case)... but in other circumstances we get in trouble with a community for changing a headline to opine. I err on the side of "just report what the publication says" and let others (appropriately) criticize bad headline-writing.

Changing the headline is not encouraged/allowed on HN; the mods will usually (always?) change it to reflect the actual one. The issue here is that you linked to a low quality source. As I said, this is newsworthy IMO. But surely there was a better quality source you might have chosen.

I shared the one I discovered. Please don't take this the wrong way, but sincerely -- how much investigation do you expect someone to do?

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by __derek__ »

sokoloff wrote: post #49
__derek__ wrote: post #42

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Interstate highways are owned/operated/maintained by the states. The federal government can (attempt to) influence what happens along them, but it's not going to build anything itself.

The reason we had a standardized 55 mph speed limit and 21 as the drinking age was via federal interstate highway funding being made contingent on those things.

Right, "the federal government can (attempt to) influence what happens along them." Of course, that particular brand of influence has waned in recent decades for obvious reasons.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by ufmace »

kurthr wrote: post #12
cs702 wrote: post #5

The stated goal, according to the legislators proposing this, is to "ensure the stability" of the oil and gas industry. Humankind's ability to reach new heights of stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

It's a hilarious and performative fall from grace from those who idolize free markets, say the government should not "pick winners", and rail against the nanny state.

Or rather, they correctly determined that their opponents were totalitarians who fully intend to use their support for liberty to destroy them, and are acting accordingly.

This is kind of like finding someone who supports non-violence, physically choking him, and then sneering at him for going against his principles when he tries to fight back.

Maybe try listening to and understanding people instead of sneering at them.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

phpisthebest wrote: post #34
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #24

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Used cars are already ticking time bombs because of the engine, transmissions, etc…being able to measure battery wear definitively without hiring an mechanic to closely go over it actually makes an EV a much safer used car buy than an ICE.

>>being able to measure battery wear definitively That is the problem right there, I do not believe they can do that that definitively, and there are more than a few horror stories already where a person buys a Used EV, the battery tested fine on purchase, but then just a few months later a cell goes out... and since you can not just replace a single cell well now they have a $20,000 bill often more than the car is w…

> and since you can not just replace a single cell well now they have a $20,000 bill often more than the car is worth

If you are referring to the conservative-popular meme that I think you are, that wasn’t even for an BEV, but an old PHEV whose (fairly small) battery was out of production.

> EV manufacturers are trying (often successfully) at blocking these 3rd party repair options and making the cost to repair an EV $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Mechanics are expensive these days, even for ICEs. Yes, repairing an EV is expensive, but so is repairing a newer ICE.

I would love to hear criticisms against EVs that didn’t apply to cars in general.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by tlb »

phpisthebest wrote: post #34
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Used cars are already ticking time bombs because of the engine, transmissions, etc…being able to measure battery wear definitively without hiring an mechanic to closely go over it actually makes an EV a much safer used car buy than an ICE.

>>being able to measure battery wear definitively That is the problem right there, I do not believe they can do that that definitively, and there are more than a few horror stories already where a person buys a Used EV, the battery tested fine on purchase, but then just a few months later a cell goes out... and since you can not just replace a single cell well now they have a $20,000 bill often more than the car is w…

While it's true that you can't replace one cell, you also don't need to because the pack is designed to lose individual cells without significantly impacting the range. It's not like they're not all in series or something. They're paralleled in medium groups (72 on original model S) with individual fuses, so a single lost cell cuts the capacity of that one group by 1/72. Active rebalancing can transfer charge between groups, so it's hardly noticeable.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by verdverm »

ohjeez wrote: post #61
JohnBooty wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Changing the headline is not encouraged/allowed on HN; the mods will usually (always?) change it to reflect the actual one. The issue here is that you linked to a low quality source. As I said, this is newsworthy IMO. But surely there was a better quality source you might have chosen.

I shared the one I discovered. Please don't take this the wrong way, but sincerely -- how much investigation do you expect someone to do?

If you are willing to share some controversial or questionable piece of news on HN, it might be worth looking for alternative sources. Is it that hard to do a couple of searches rather than submitting the low-quality one with zero extra effort? Do you not want to be better informed yourself anyways?

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by ohjeez »

verdverm wrote: post #67
ohjeez wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I shared the one I discovered. Please don't take this the wrong way, but sincerely -- how much investigation do you expect someone to do?

If you are willing to share some controversial or questionable piece of news on HN, it might be worth looking for alternative sources. Is it that hard to do a couple of searches rather than submitting the low-quality one with zero extra effort? Do you not want to be better informed yourself anyways?

While the headline was imperfect, the article had the key piece up-front: someone submitted a bill with this premise. That was enough for my needs.

If the community is interested in the topic, typically the comments point to more germane information, backstory, and other data that supports/refutes what an article says. That's a healthy behavior, and it's why online communities remain popular.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by ohjeez »

makerofspoons wrote: post #8

Around this time last year there were only 460 EVs registered in Wyoming: https://www.wyomingnews.com/rawlinstimes/news/charging-forwa... Most EVs in the state are visitors and the highways are going to be electrified anyway. This is going to do nothing to save the oil and gas industry.

Oh, that's interesting. Rather a chicken and egg situation then.

"The median ratio across the US is 14.2 EVs to ports, with Wyoming having the best (lowest) ratio at 4.2 to 1 and New Jersey had the worst (highest) at 41.7 to 1."

https://evadoption.com/ev-charging-stations-statistics/charg...

Would be nice to factor in population, too.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by rsj_hn »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #58
rsj_hn wrote: post #57

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There are many surveys out there. California generally competes with Illinois and New Jersey as the most hated state and the most dysfunctional state. For example, https://www.cagrocers.com/california-repeats-worst-run-state... It has a broad reputation for dysfunction in basically every area. Energy -- it imports 20% of its electricity from the rest of the nation's grid to get around wacky anti-carbon rules for dome…

Choosing a 13 year old clearly reblogged article from an organization known as “24/7 Wall St.” (with a dot and all) as your source is an interesting way to provide a credible source showing the current opinion of everyone in the US regarding California. It’s not even a survey, which would have been obvious had you spent the time to actually look at it rather than cherry-pick the first result off Google which lined up…

I gave multiple examples related to energy, education, environmental policy, crime, etc, and urged you to learn how to use a search engine to look up surveys. You fixated maniacally on not liking that the word "wall st" appeared in a blog title.

FYI, California students have among the lowest reading comprehension scores (and math scores) in the nation.

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