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Paper-Thin Solar Makes Any Surface Photovoltaic

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Re: Paper-Thin Solar Makes Any Surface Photovoltaic

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The disadvantage being that they add weight to the roof and are a significant source of wind load.

And pierce the supposedly waterproof roof (the entire point of a roof). And mounted at whatever angle the roof is built, instead of an optimal angle. And are in the most difficult place for maintenance and cleaning, so those things will be neglected. And you need to replace the roof? Now what?

And get in the way of fire fighting[1].

[1]: https://brannredning.com/brann/brannen-asko-bygget/

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It’s ok if solar doesn't work everywhere, even in the places where it’s optimal it’s barely being used right now. There’s a lot of work to be done. Even if we just covered the country’s parking lots with solar awnings we’d be producing huge amounts of power.

The problem with solar awnings is the cost. It's much more cost-effective to install solar on a field or an open area than a parking lot. Parking lot installations much more expensive because of the additional infrastructure needed.

sure and we also have plenty of unused space to do so, my intention was to show that rooftop solar isn’t the end all be all - I don’t care where they go, we just need to start putting more out there

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It’s ok if solar doesn't work everywhere, even in the places where it’s optimal it’s barely being used right now. There’s a lot of work to be done. Even if we just covered the country’s parking lots with solar awnings we’d be producing huge amounts of power.

Ideas such as spend $800k on parking lot shade structures and then attach $200k of solar are inferior compared to buying some pasture land for $4000 and installing $996k of solar panels. Are we trying to solve CO2 emissions or is it more important that you get to see the panels every time you shop at CostCo?

public awareness and trends shouldn’t be discredited, but if it’s cheaper to build solar in an open pasture than let’s do that too!

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Is USA government policy actively antagonistic towards this specific technology? Or just doesn't have specific support/incentives for this specific kind of technology? Is there any reason the market doesn't/can't support buying these panels here? Or are there weird tariffs against it? IS there not already a boom in solar PV installation in the USA? It looks like we're far from a watts-per-capita leader (15th in the w…

The oil and gas lobby in the US is staggeringly powerful. Many US regulatory bodies (like FERC) have been captured by industry for years. It has been very difficult to do anything that might negatively impact the oil and gas industry. So not so much anti-solar as anti-anything-threatening-fossil-fuels. See also: “clean coal”.

I remember seeing oil wells all over the area when I lived for a while in Oklahoma. Heck, there was even one in the middle of a mall parking lot. Very oil friendly area. But still, Oklahoma is the third in the nation for wind energy production. Texas is number 1. I think the oil and gas lobby must not be quite as powerful as you think.

Re: Paper-Thin Solar Makes Any Surface Photovoltaic

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If weight is the issue, well fine. But they deliver (back of the envelope) 37W per square meter. While conventional panels deliver ~200. So any application that's space-limited, these are not a win. And isn't that, every home installation?

In Germany (and I think in the EU) you have a max. weight for cars of about 3.5T (~7716 pounds). You can drive cars that weight more than that but then your speed is limited to (I think 80-100km/h), you have to pay (more) toll and more importantly you have to get a special drivers license in most cases (cost + time). Camper vans usually get very close to that limit. Even if the van has only 2 sleeping spots. Weight i…

The cost is longevity. Flexible panels don't last anywhere near as long as conventional rigid panels. But they're handy, for sure, if you want a simpler installation.

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Or just put it on the parking lot? The efficiency is so low on these, good luck. Covering a corner of the parking lot with standard panels is going to be cheaper and easier than doing the roof using these.

Covering a parking lot with anything let alone solar panels that require lots of electrical connections is not a simple job. Think of all the supporting posts and beams, footings that will take up space, wind load considerations, etc.

Simpler than doing it on a (low load rating) roof, where you also have to deal with an inability to drive to where you are doing things, have low maximum weight limits, have to worry about water tightness, etc.

Even better, if the contractor screws it up, it doesn’t burn the building down or cause massive water damage. Worst case some cars catch on fire. Much cheaper!

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Since it is fabric presumably you could just stick them down the same way you do with a felted roof. I guess you could even incorporate it into a felt roll.

It’ll need to be durable enough to walk on then.

Hell, durable enough for hail, gales, a foot of snow and ice.

Is this really practical for outdoor use at all? Most of us have really durable roofs, not some paper/plastic felt cover.

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post #28

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Is USA government policy actively antagonistic towards this specific technology? Or just doesn't have specific support/incentives for this specific kind of technology? Is there any reason the market doesn't/can't support buying these panels here? Or are there weird tariffs against it? IS there not already a boom in solar PV installation in the USA? It looks like we're far from a watts-per-capita leader (15th in the w…

The Republican party in the united states is so anti-green energy, they removed solar panels from the white house in the 80s, shortly after they were installed, just because they didn't like them. They also blamed wind turbines for the extreme grid failure in Texas last year, and it is a current talking point that "wind and solar can't ever work" and that wind turbines kill so many birds that we can't possibly ever u…

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Re: Paper-Thin Solar Makes Any Surface Photovoltaic

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Monocrystalline Si solar panels have so many advantages that it's hard to get interested in anything else for home or business construction. Lifetime is measured in decades, not years; efficiency is approaching 25% while prices are dropping (only expensive multi-junction III-V types are better, currently limited to satellite power systems); and for variable surfaces, they can be manufactured as small shingles as well…

Bear in mind that China has like, no oil[0] or gas[1] at all. Their investments into renewables is kind of a life of death situation, not just for the world, but the PLA specifically, who would likely monopolize domestic oil production in any military engagement. Also worth mentioning that Beijing sits on one side of a mountain range, and the other side is arid desert. It's kind of a no brainer to drop solar panels t…

"solar doesn't make sense in many places in the US. You want somewhere dry and bright, which cuts off the pacific northwest, and most of the north*"

Can you explain with numbers how you arrive at this conclusion? (Solar is extremely popular and viable in Northern Europe, so it surprises me to read it)

Re: Paper-Thin Solar Makes Any Surface Photovoltaic

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Why does the Active-Surfaces website explicitly call out that it’s unavailable in the USA? That’s the site for the startup developing this tech, linked from the article. Active-Surfaces.com —— The Active Surfaces® brand is not available for import, purchase or distribution in the United States of America and territories. Any and all product claims and descriptions contained on this website or in other sales or promot…

I think they linked the wrong company. Then one talked about is based in Massachusetts and the one linked is Italian. One founded last year the other like a decade ago
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