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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

Then why don’t get off twitter?

At the end of the that’s the only thing that matters.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

#592

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

Doxxing is not free speech. The sensible majority of people understand that. It's only a vocal small minority of idiots and troublemakers that argue otherwise.

It's not obviously not doxxing to post publicly available information about the locations of aircraft. It never has been and it never will be.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

#593
post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon is claiming this is the new standard going forward: "[Elon] added that any account revealing people's real-time locations will be suspended "as it is a physical safety violation"."

Does this include paparazzi or celeb sighting photos?

If it is in real time then presumably yes. Perhaps with exceptions for previously announced or expected attendance at certain public events like award shows and the like.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

#594

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

Doxxing is not free speech. The sensible majority of people understand that. It's only a vocal small minority of idiots and troublemakers that argue otherwise.

When you say "not free speech," what do you mean? It's not, at least in a general sense, illegal (in the United States).

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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post #542

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

He also posted a real time photo of X (at twitter HQ) two weeks ago so he can’t be that worried.

@sweeney_legal_team ^

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

That's motte and bailey on "harmful". Nobody is banning people for saying Musk is a moron, nobody is advocating for "There is a walking on so and so street right now" tweets. Criticizing people vs revealing their precise current location to everyone on Internet are very different things.

> nobody is advocating for "There is a walking on so and so street right now" tweets.

A few months ago Elon was. Remember when everything that isn't illegal was going to be allowed on Twitter?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

#598

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

yes, because elon musk is incapable of lying, and has never been known to manipulate. /s

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

#599
post #384

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I think it comes down to tangible harm vs intangible theoretical harm. Anyone can claim intangible harm from anything. Doxing someone is a real tangible harm with very likely dangerous outcomes. Having an opinion is not.

Knowing the location of your plane is theoretical harm. If someone actually attacks you based upon that location, now it is tangible harm. It's too easy to conflate the two.

>Knowing the location of your plane is theoretical harm.

It's not even theoretical harm. It's not harm.

You are not entitled to privacy when owning and operating a jet in public airspace.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

#600

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

> Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way.

It would appear, based on empirical evidence, that in practice everyone agrees with this point. That may count as mission success for those many people.

Was free speech absolutism ever something Musk put on the table? The issue that Musk is addressing is Twitter's systemic suppression of right-wing political speech.

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