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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by throwaway74829 »

antod wrote: post #347
ClassicOrgin wrote: post #263

What I really like about ElonJet and Sweeney's other accounts is they included emission estimates. Really blew a hole in the idea that you could ever consider Musk or Gates to be environmentalists. A recent Musk flight between Washington and Miami emitted 9 tons of CO2 [1], which is nearly double what a fuel inefficient car would emit each year. How can you tell me I'm the problem with my single truck and couple of c…

> How can you tell me I'm the problem with my single truck and couple of commercial flights each year when you've got multiple Teslas and hundreds of private flights each year? Because there are hundreds of thousands (millions?) of other truck owners also using the same justification to keep their truck? This isn't sticking up for hypocritical wasteful billionaires, just pointing there are not very many of them in th…

On such polarizing topics, there is no neutral. Both sides will detest you for not being on their's.

Logic won't win you any friends; and it certainly won't change anyone's feelings.

As trite as my post is: I don't see the merit in yours.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by Kye »

cat_plus_plus wrote: post #403
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

That's motte and bailey on "harmful". Nobody is banning people for saying Musk is a moron, nobody is advocating for "There is a walking on so and so street right now" tweets. Criticizing people vs revealing their precise current location to everyone on Internet are very different things.

This is public information. His own plane reports it. Anyone can buy a receiver to pick up the transponder, and websites exist to collect that data from people who do. All this Twitter account does is report that for one plane in that database. Anyone, including stalkers, can make a script to watch it.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ops »

villgax wrote: post #108
hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Lol how does it make sense to connect the public data plane tracker with someone following a car

It's easy if the plane is flying into a small airport with very little traffic (like SMO)

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by bink »

djur wrote: post #197
throwawaylinux wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well so long as it's no longer the government asking him to censor things that aren't illegal and ban people they don't like, it's a private company so I don't see what the problem is.

What did the government ask him to censor previously?

I believe they're referring to 2020 when two political campaigns were asking Twitter to remove stolen data. Of course, only one of those campaigns qualified as "the government" at the time, and many other organizations also make requests to remove stolen data, but I don't think they're using reason.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by Georgelemental »

kentm wrote: post #407
donatj wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it comes down to tangible harm vs intangible theoretical harm. Anyone can claim intangible harm from anything. Doxing someone is a real tangible harm with very likely dangerous outcomes. Having an opinion is not.

If you consider doxing as a real tangible harm then what about vulnerable groups coming under harm due to being singled out? LibsOfTikTok made claims about Boston Children’s Hospital that caused tangible harm and yet they were unbanned. You might say that LibsOfTikTok didn’t cause the harm, that the responsibility was on the people perpetrating the bomb threats, but the same logic applies to ElonJet and this “stalker…

> You might say that LibsOfTikTok didn’t cause the harm, that the responsibility was on the people perpetrating the bomb threats, but the same logic applies to ElonJet and this “stalker” incident.

Correct on both counts. Neither account should be banned or punished

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Post by Raptor22 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #411
hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Musk has now included a tweet seemingly trying to dox the stalker, including their license plate. How can he immediately turn from "people shouldn't post publicly available information that can be abusable" to posting someone's abusable public information?

> How can he immediately turn from "people shouldn't post publicly available information that can be abusable" to posting someone's abusable public information?

Hypocrisy

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Post by p1necone »

pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

"Free Speech Absolutism" is just another conservative boondoggle that they can endlessly talk about to attract voters.

Of course actually trying to put it in practice immediately falls apart, but that's not the point.

Nobody on the malicious side of the "malicious or stupid?" scale actually wants everyone to have unfettered freedom of speech (see: republican outrage at LGBTQ rights, people teaching/learning about systemic racism ('CRT'), drag queen story time, republican school districts banning books for some recent examples). They just want to be able to cry "muh free speech" to silence criticism of anything they say.

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Post by minimaxir »

plandis wrote: post #126
hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Legal action being taken against the person who pulled public flight information and published already public information? The sad part is I’m sure Elon can bury this guy in fees even if the lawsuit is ultimately ruled as entirely without merit.

Very many lawyers would love to work pro bono on this type of case.

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Post by Georgelemental »

dullcrisp wrote: post #410
Georgelemental wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people What this means in practice is "speech that powerful, privileged, unaccountable people, who think they are worthy of controlling the thoughts of everyone else, deem to be 'harmful', based on their vague feelings and biases."

Exactly. If you be less racist, you’re just giving the globalist elites what they want.

I don't trust anyone else to decide on my behalf what speech is "racist." Let me think for myself!

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Post by theteapot »

pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

Doxxing is not free speech. The sensible majority of people understand that. It's only a vocal small minority of idiots and troublemakers that argue otherwise.
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