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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by jacquesm »

molticrystal wrote: post #420
hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

I'm worried about the side effects if Elon gets his way. Could this cause people to face legal problems if they share tracking info on federal or military flights such as those who spy on people? Could it stretch out to satellites, just how expansive would the ruling be if Elon won, and how hard and expensive would it be to narrow it back if possible?

I don't see that happening, especially not because $25 + a laptop will get you an ADS-B receiver. This data is meant to be public.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by toofy »

Thorentis wrote: post #289
djur wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely hard to figure out the logic where it's OK to ban someone for posting plane data because it might be misused for dangerous while it's bad evil censorship to ban the President while he's actively trying to overturn the results of a lawful election.

Contesting the results of an election is entirely different to publishing location data with the intent to cause physical harm. Disputing election results is also part of the democratic process, even if you disagree with it, and should be encouraged. There is nothing in the public interesting concerned with stalking people.

> ...*with the intent to cause physical harm*.

lets not get this carried away.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by dghlsakjg »

fsckboy wrote: post #418
memish wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Me suppressing my personal information is protecting my physical safety. You suppressing your personal information is an unacceptable breach of free expression. Me revealing your personal information is transparency in the public interest. You revealing my personal information is doxxing and puts my life in danger. @pmarca

some people's personal information, if broadcast, puts them in danger like Salman Rushdie, while with most people nobody cares about them. what's your snappy hypocrisy koan for that? Salman Rushdie's exercise of free speech but not revealing where he was made him some kind of huge hypocrite? some people's personal information is in the public interest, like Al Gore's electric bill or how often he and John Kerry fly t…

The counterargument is that elonjet is only tweeting information that is already very public.

Elons Jet, by law, must openly broadcast, over the radio waves, location and route while operating. There is a legal right to publish that information. If he doesn’t want people to know his location, he can avoid traveling on the one private jet linked to him. But that’s not what he’s doing.

His child being followed by someone wanting to meet him has literally nothing to do with the location of his jet.

This is an emotional reaction to a situation that only affects him.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by jongjong »

pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

If someone hoards the attention of millions of people, of course that person will have problems when a tiny fraction of these millions of people inevitably exert their free speech. Is the solution to ban free speech or to stop hoarding the attention of millions of people?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ShredKazoo »

asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321
pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

Elon said:

>Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation. This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info.

From https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603181423787380737

You can see Twitter's full policy here: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-info...

A hypothetical account that broadcasted the location of marginalized people in real time would not be allowed, is my understanding.

I think it would be good if we could get past the "your team vs my team" thing and talk about the best set of speech principles overall.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by [deleted] »

rodgerd wrote: post #343
pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

He supports LibsofTikTok, which has resulting in whole hospitals being shut down by terrorists. He unbanned Taleb Kweli, who was banned for using twitter to stalk, harass, and organise mobs against a woman he didn't like. His campaign against Yoel Roth has resulted in Roth and his family having to flee their house. He's very, very happy with threats, including death threats if they are people that he doesn't like.

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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by pgodzin »

theteapot wrote: post #430
pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

Doxxing is not free speech. The sensible majority of people understand that. It's only a vocal small minority of idiots and troublemakers that argue otherwise.

Musk disagreed with you until today, he explicitly said that he would be leaving this exact account up because he believed in free speech even when it was about his location.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by Natsu »

asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321
pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

Elon is claiming this is the new standard going forward:

"[Elon] added that any account revealing people's real-time locations will be suspended "as it is a physical safety violation"."

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by kjksf »

Kye wrote: post #422
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's motte and bailey on "harmful". Nobody is banning people for saying Musk is a moron, nobody is advocating for "There is a walking on so and so street right now" tweets. Criticizing people vs revealing their precise current location to everyone on Internet are very different things.

This is public information. His own plane reports it. Anyone can buy a receiver to pick up the transponder, and websites exist to collect that data from people who do. All this Twitter account does is report that for one plane in that database. Anyone, including stalkers, can make a script to watch it.

Plot twist: Elon applied for and obtained privacy protection from FAA so it was no longer public information.

The owner of @ElonJet account de-anonymized the info and bragged about it on Twitter.

Now Elon is suing him and people who helped him to obtain that no-longer-public information.

See https://twitter.com/scottwww/status/1490553502640140288

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by r721 »

323 wrote: post #18

Meanwhile all the Elon Musk jet stories are disappearing fast from the front page. The main one with over 1k comments and points survived only 6 hours.

They are still discoverable via "Most active current discussions" list though:

https://news.ycombinator.com/active

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