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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by scott_w »

cauthon wrote: post #524
memish wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Me suppressing my personal information is protecting my physical safety. You suppressing your personal information is an unacceptable breach of free expression. Me revealing your personal information is transparency in the public interest. You revealing my personal information is doxxing and puts my life in danger. @pmarca

> My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Let's not group mean tweets and mass shootings under the same umbrella

I didn’t read it like that. I read “attacks” in the “verbal attacks” sense as opposed to physical.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by RC_ITR »

hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

He also posted a real time photo of X (at twitter HQ) two weeks ago so he can’t be that worried.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by wahnfrieden »

cauthon wrote: post #524
memish wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Me suppressing my personal information is protecting my physical safety. You suppressing your personal information is an unacceptable breach of free expression. Me revealing your personal information is transparency in the public interest. You revealing my personal information is doxxing and puts my life in danger. @pmarca

> My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Let's not group mean tweets and mass shootings under the same umbrella

In other words you’re just repeating that sticks and stones may break bones but words will never hurt. Hardly a well established / obvious statement, and one that’s covered in early grade school discourse

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by hackerlight »

kevinh wrote: post #453
theteapot wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doxxing is not free speech. The sensible majority of people understand that. It's only a vocal small minority of idiots and troublemakers that argue otherwise.

Elon Musk, within the last hour, sent out a request for a person to be doxxed with a video of someone's license plate and face. This is not a principled policy.

The loophole that Musk is relying on here is that it's not real-time and is therefore not against (the new) ToS.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by RC_ITR »

Meekro wrote: post #540
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

"Don't publish someone's location in realtime (24 hour delay is required)" seems like a simple rule that can be enforced even-handedly against both sides. On the other hand, "don't do speech that causes harm" is so vague that it guarantees endless battles. If the New York Times writes an article criticizing someone, and then a crazy person shoots that someone, is the NYT now required to stop writing articles criticiz…

>"Don't publish someone's location in realtime (24 hour delay is required)" seems like a simple rule that can be enforced even-handedly against both sides.

He posted a real-time photo of X at twitter HQ like two weeks ago. And then a picture of him getting his badge.

Should Elon suspend his own account for doing that?

Also what sides? Elon jet wasn’t political afaik.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

cauthon wrote: post #524
memish wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Me suppressing my personal information is protecting my physical safety. You suppressing your personal information is an unacceptable breach of free expression. Me revealing your personal information is transparency in the public interest. You revealing my personal information is doxxing and puts my life in danger. @pmarca

> My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Let's not group mean tweets and mass shootings under the same umbrella

You should tell that to people who invented the phrase "stochastic terrorism."

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by monocasa »

neuronexmachina wrote: post #479
postmeta wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

maybe they followed the car from the airport?

Is there an archive/screenshot anywhere of the posts from the ElonJet account immediately before it was removed? I'm curious what recent info (if any) it showed.

Last post supposedly on Dec 12, so unrelated.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by mbreese »

mlindner wrote: post #535
mbreese wrote: post #531

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Are you sure that plane actually has a PIA ICAO number? Or that on the ground spotters were required to find the new ICAO? I know nothing about this, but was a rabbit hole to explore. The tail number for his plane is well known. If you put that N-number into an ICAO conversion script ( https://www.avionictools.com/icao.php ), you get the same Hex number that you see from adsbexchange.com. From what I can tell, the sc…

> Are you sure that plane actually has a PIA ICAO number? I'm not sure that it does at this very moment, but public statements by Sweeny himself said that it did indeed have a PIA ICAO number and that Sweeny de-anonymized it. It's possible Elon stopped using it because of that de-anonymizing. > The strange thing is that adsbexchange also lists the plane as being part of the LADD (Limiting Aircraft Data Displayed) pro…

> Sweeny himself said that it did indeed have a PIA ICAO number and that Sweeny de-anonymized it

I read that too, but haven’t been able to find any source that wasn’t Sweeny on that. Without another source, I’m more inclined to believe that the plane is part of LADD, but not PIA (or isn’t anymore). And that the plane from the Sweeney tweet from February 2022 may have been another plane entirely. Maybe Musk’s plane was enrolled at one point, but it honestly doesn’t make much sense to me to have a plane enrolled in PIA.

I mean, if I had a private plane, I’d like to keep the option of flying it internationally, which you couldn’t do with an anonymized ICAO (again, according to my limited reading).

Also, given the limited number of PIA planes, it would be trivial to look for ICAO numbers that disappeared at one airport and then for a new private ICAO number to appear at the same airport. The system only makes sense from a privacy perspective if you don’t have continuous monitoring of the ADS-B transponders. As things currently exist, with a small number of PIA planes, it would be obvious to find new codes.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by hackerlight »

throwaway128128 wrote: post #525
hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Elon invokes his kids as a trump card to shut down criticism (e.g. why he isn't unbanning Alex Jones).

And this trump card was actually a lie that was called out as such by his ex-wife within a day.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by wahnfrieden »

mlindner wrote: post #510
ClassicOrgin wrote: post #263

What I really like about ElonJet and Sweeney's other accounts is they included emission estimates. Really blew a hole in the idea that you could ever consider Musk or Gates to be environmentalists. A recent Musk flight between Washington and Miami emitted 9 tons of CO2 [1], which is nearly double what a fuel inefficient car would emit each year. How can you tell me I'm the problem with my single truck and couple of c…

Those flights emit a couple of tons of CO2. Tesla has saved millions of tons of CO2 from being emitted. It's nicely illustrative of how little a jet flight is compared to all the car traffic emitting CO2 that's been eliminated.

You must offset those emissions saved with the emissions credits they generated for ice vehicle producers if you’re talking balances
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