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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by croes »

theteapot wrote: post #430
pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

Doxxing is not free speech. The sensible majority of people understand that. It's only a vocal small minority of idiots and troublemakers that argue otherwise.

Is it doxxing if it's public available data?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by jakelazaroff »

theteapot wrote: post #430
pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

Doxxing is not free speech. The sensible majority of people understand that. It's only a vocal small minority of idiots and troublemakers that argue otherwise.

Yeah, there’s always a pretext. That’s the point. It’s easy to say “I’d only ban speech that violates the law!” when someone else is running the show. But when you’re in charge and reality hits, well, of course posting someone’s location doesn’t count as free speech!

And so on and so forth. It happened with parody, it’s happening with this and it’ll happen with something else in the future. No one comes out and says “actually, I don’t support free speech anymore.” They just keep moving the goalposts. Which would be fine, except people keep trying to tell me they don’t exist.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by akiselev »

mlindner wrote: post #500
akiselev wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Step 1. Google “elon musk tail number” Step 2. Copy one of the tail numbers from the first result: “N628TS, N272BG, N502SX” Step 3. Paste one of the tail numbers into any one of the flight tracker apps. If your stalkers can’t even figure that out, you don’t have to worry about them. Otherwise… it’ll take them an extra 45 seconds compared to finding the ElonJet twitter account. Edit: for bonus points Google “site:faa.…

I can link links as well. https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy The first blocks it from showing up on sites like flightradar24 which filters out LADD aircraft. The second makes it so you can't go from tail number to tracking the aircraft once the ICAO has changed and ADSB Exchange doesn't manually update their database of which pseudonymous ICAO numbers are conn…

ADS-B allows planes to track each other during flight so they don’t crash into each other. It is public because that’s the point: to broadcast their location publicly.

All those FAA rules do is mask it in their own public data set that they make available. Anyone with their own data set (aka an SDR at SMO if they’re trying to stalk Musk) like ADSBExchange is not required to mask that data and any law trying force them would run afoul of the first amendment and compromise aviation, since ADS-B makes flight safer for hundreds of thousands of pilots.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by cauthon »

memish wrote: post #388
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Me suppressing my personal information is protecting my physical safety. You suppressing your personal information is an unacceptable breach of free expression. Me revealing your personal information is transparency in the public interest. You revealing my personal information is doxxing and puts my life in danger. @pmarca

> My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism.

Let's not group mean tweets and mass shootings under the same umbrella

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by throwaway128128 »

hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Elon invokes his kids as a trump card to shut down criticism (e.g. why he isn't unbanning Alex Jones).

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by madars »

mlindner wrote: post #492
TehCorwiz wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flight information that twitter account was using is publically available and required by law to BE public. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zygg/twitter-bans-elon-mus... "Sweeney has been using sites such as ADS-B Exchange to track the movements of private jets blogging to celebrities, tech billionaires, and Russian oligarchs for years now. By law, the movement of these plans is publicly available information.…

This confuses the issue though. ICAO numbers change if your aircraft is enrolled in the PIA program, which Elon is. Sweeny was bypassing this by using people on the ground to circumvent this by watching the jet's movement and if an aircraft was going to takeoff that had an unknown ICAO number he'd have someone at the airport to figure out it was Elon's jet that had changed it's ICAO number. Your link will only be val…

The ICAO number in the GP's comment is listed in the FAA registry for the N-number: https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResul... (Mode S Code (Base 16 / Hex): A835AF). Are you saying that PIA program can make registry.faa.gov report data that's either obfuscated or out of sync? Why is it not reporting such data now? (Edit: Or maybe GP's comment is using a non-privacy ICAO number and the actual number squawked is private?)

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by [deleted] »

theteapot wrote: post #489
p1necone wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Free Speech Absolutism" is just another conservative boondoggle that they can endlessly talk about to attract voters. Of course actually trying to put it in practice immediately falls apart, but that's not the point. Nobody on the malicious side of the "malicious or stupid?" scale actually wants everyone to have unfettered freedom of speech (see: republican outrage at LGBTQ rights, people teaching/learning about sys…

"Free Speech Absolutism" is just another liberal boondoggle that they can endlessly smear their opponents with to attract voters.

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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ravel-bar-foo »

spamizbad wrote: post #28
mjn wrote: post #11

This appears to be the new policy: https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1603165959669354496

This change is going to make it very easy to shut down OSINT accounts that geolocate people.

Only if they livestream. Most conflict reporting is delayed anyway due to OpSec, and most OSINT has a delay for image analysis before publication.

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Post by Master_Odin »

osigurdson wrote: post #468

"Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation. This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info. Posting locations someone traveled to on a slightly delayed basis isn’t a safety problem, so is ok." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603181423787380737

Can't wait for Musk to go against the FAA for requiring this info be publicly announced and not restricted time wise. He also probably won't affect any account(s) that publish this information so long as it doesn't affect him personally. You know, free speech as approved by Musk and all.

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Post by return_to_monke »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #381
dools wrote: post #284

The emphasis on safety for Fauci's family while simultaneously dismantling community safety rules on Twitter is pretty disconcerting. Prosecute really is a wannabe feudal lord. EDIT: Updated to include Elon's preferred pronouns.

I think the possessive version of Musk's pronoun is just "Fauci" not "Fauci's."

I opt for Faucii. Familiae faucii.
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