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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by micromacrofoot »

potency wrote: post #218
ancapsfascists wrote: post #77

Good to see I'm vindicated in the prediction that Musk has zero interest in free speech, he only has interest in his narrative being dominant on Twitter.

He's also restored countless accounts that were banned under previous ownership. While banning ElonJet flys in the face of being a "free speech absolutist", he's certainly demonstrated that he's generally in favor of freer speech.

seeing this as supporting "freer" is a take that falls apart pretty quickly when you specifically look at who's benefiting from this newfound "freerness"

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Post by chris11 »

stefan_ wrote: post #337
minimaxir wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that Twitter dissolved the Trust and Safety Council after that tweet was posted: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-disbands-trus... It's unclear if Ella Irwin still works at Twitter, but giving everything going on I strongly suspect there's no one to moderate against Elon personally banning an account he does not like.

She just got the role, why would she no longer work there? Presumably she was put there to enable this , after Yoel Roth abruptly left (and was subsequently defamed as a pedo by Elon, what's with the guy and pedophiles).

She started in June, she then quit shortly after Elon took over, then she was convinced to come back.

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Post by devnullbrain »

afavour wrote: post #56
DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely not going bankrupt though people would be happy to see it. Advertisers have come back and the staff is muuuuch smaller than before.

I think you need to avoid taking Musk’s word at face value and instead look at his actions. Avoiding paying rent and severance is not what a financially healthy company does. The only logical reason I can think of to not pay something you know you’re legally obligated to pay is if you’re intending to declare bankruptcy to avoid paying. Otherwise you’re going to end up paying and pay a load of legal fees on top. I gue…

I don't agree with this. IMHO his career has almost been defined by an extraordinary ability to 'temporarily get away with shit'. For example, the current FSD story: I expect this will be a long, drawn-out, forgone conclusion where Tesla will eventually lose the battle by having to pay back owners but will win the war in having a cheap, easy loan from the most financially unstable years until now.

Other examples:

- Illegal firings of non-US Twitter staff

- Pushing back the Twitter acquisition

- Roadster/Truck deposits

- Radar will-they/won't-they

The ability to stop paying bills without seeing the inside of a cell or having to sleep in the cold is a powerful negotiation tool. Some won't even have the means to sue him. Despite being painted as failures, none of these will have a materially adverse affect on his life. Consequences are different for a person like him.

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Post by saw-lau »

saw-lau wrote: post #370
perihelions wrote: post #109

He's also posted internal Twitter screenshots, allegedly showing a VP was personally involved in @ElonJet moderation. (In the context of an earlier moderation action -- visibility filtering ("VF")). - "A screenshot of what he claimed was an internal Slack channel showed Ella Irwin, the person appointed to replace Yoel Roth as Twitter’s new head of trust and safety, asking a “Team” to “please apply heavy VF to @elonje…

I've never come across the term 'heavy VF' before - can somebody clue me in?

Thanks, seri4l!

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

wpietri wrote: post #205
ancapsfascists wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News fell for it, hook line and sinker. The number of people saying "give him a chance" and "he actually believes in free speech" dominated those who were like, "he'll probably just change who gets banned to be more in line with his personal beliefs."

I saw somebody call Musk "Phony Stark", and that seems to me a pithy summary of the cognitive biases going on here. This place is a magnet for would-be world-changing tech geniuses. Musk's level of technical skill is in dispute, but he's been incredibly good at hyping himself as Thomas Edison 2.0, and has been very effective in using that to attract cheap capital for gee-whiz projects. I get why he got the benefit of…

If the tradeoff is Elon bans all the horrible doxxers and childporn weirdos and permits all the vaxx skeptics, the non-establishment Left, and non-establishment Right.

I am completely fine with that.

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Post by f38zf5vdt »

stefan_ wrote: post #337
minimaxir wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that Twitter dissolved the Trust and Safety Council after that tweet was posted: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-disbands-trus... It's unclear if Ella Irwin still works at Twitter, but giving everything going on I strongly suspect there's no one to moderate against Elon personally banning an account he does not like.

She just got the role, why would she no longer work there? Presumably she was put there to enable this , after Yoel Roth abruptly left (and was subsequently defamed as a pedo by Elon, what's with the guy and pedophiles).

No post body was provided.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by anoonmoose »

EarlKing wrote: post #271
phailhaus wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flight data is already public, the account was "just" posting about it on Twitter.

So if I find your phone number in the white pages you'll have no problem with everyone knowing it, right? Because that's public information, right?

I am genuinely interested in what you think the difference between those two things is. I don't see how "the white pages" is any more safe or secure than "everyone"...
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