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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by ptato »

drooby wrote: post #71

Twitters relevant policy: “Private information: You may not publish or post other people's private information (such as home phone number and address) without their express authorization and permission. We also prohibit threatening to expose private information or incentivizing others to do so. Learn more.” Now.. his fight information is technically “public” but in that same sense, phone numbers and street addresses…

> Elon claimed he would not “ban” the account. And he has not done so. They were suspended.

So the argument is that the word he used is different?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

drooby wrote: post #71

Twitters relevant policy: “Private information: You may not publish or post other people's private information (such as home phone number and address) without their express authorization and permission. We also prohibit threatening to expose private information or incentivizing others to do so. Learn more.” Now.. his fight information is technically “public” but in that same sense, phone numbers and street addresses…

> Elon claimed he would not “ban” the account. And he has not done so. They were suspended.

That's just nitpicking. the ElonJet account didn't "violate Musk's privacy", it just "republished tracker information".

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by ProAm »

suyash wrote: post #68
hhh wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data is public. Does taking publicly accessible data and tweeting it make it creepy? Or is more a problem to you that all the data is public? You could hide within this, say, you know, take a first class flight somewhere on a commercial plane. The price you pay for having your own plane is that your plane's movements are public. I personally support all of this data being public, it's generally a great way to gai…

Public data doesn't give you licenses to act unethically and immorally, laws are oftentimes poorly written.

He's not doing anything unethical or immoral.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by naillo »

czbond wrote: post #59
DHPersonal wrote: post #5

I think Elon has given up any pretense of being open to criticism, so an action like this seemed fairly inevitable.

Quoted post unavailable.

This stuff is already public information. It's not like the twitter author had placed a tracker on Elons planes

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by throw_nbvc1234 »

par wrote: post #42
DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely not going bankrupt though people would be happy to see it. Advertisers have come back and the staff is muuuuch smaller than before.

Which major advertisers are coming back?

https://www.reuters.com/technology/amazon-restart-advertisin...

Big names not sure about spend

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by ancapsfascists »

seanw444 wrote: post #31
DHPersonal wrote: post #5

I think Elon has given up any pretense of being open to criticism, so an action like this seemed fairly inevitable.

Yeah, I don't know why anyone thought Twitter would be a "bastion" of free speech. His history proves otherwise.

Hacker News fell for it, hook line and sinker. The number of people saying "give him a chance" and "he actually believes in free speech" dominated those who were like, "he'll probably just change who gets banned to be more in line with his personal beliefs."

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by smcl »

yanderekko wrote: post #27
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

I think you have to ask yourself which of the following is more likely:

1. @elonjet suddenly started to engage in some extremist/TOS-breaking behaviour

2. Elon Musk changed his mind

Given that #2 has happened a few times already, I think that's a pretty reasonable assumption.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by yanderekko »

smcl wrote: post #38
Overtonwindow wrote: post #7

Just an observation, but it seems that the Twitter files revelations are getting drastically less press than everything else Elon does. It almost feels like kill the messenger

I think it's because they've largely proven to be uninteresting or unsurprising. The two big reveals early on were: - The Biden family tried to get what is effectively revenge porn taken down from Twitter before he was elected. - Twitter had labels for high-profile accounts like libsoftiktok that meant "don't ban this person without some higher-up approval" In both cases they were deliberately presented in a misleadi…

I think it's interesting that the senior leaders did not seem to have an internal non-partisan justification for quashing the Hunter Biden story, though that obviously lends evidence to prior suspicions.

>In the second case (quite amusingly, tbh) Weiss suggested Twitter was suppressing libsoftiktok, when in fact it was deliberately treating the account with kid gloves - i.e. she got it completely backwards.

I think you're the one that's getting it completely backwards - since Twitter's "kid gloves" treatment lacks any semblance of due process, it was seen as a brand risk to engage in repeated high-profile bannings. It's like having a law that you know is unjust and advising against enforcing it against anyone powerful so you don't get called out - you can call that "kid gloves" treatment but that's papering over the underlying problem.... if your moderation policies are defensible you shouldn't need to carve out exemptions like this.

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