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Post by cto_of_antifa »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #270
marricks wrote: post #179

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> People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason I'm not sure that's the case. I think many people, myself included, assumed Musk's course was always "just do what's best for me." So he's really just holding to that. You should give people in your life the benefit of the doubt, but large corporations and billionaires usually found success by acting in their own interest so they will just keep on doing that.

> large corporations and billionaires usually found success by acting in their own interest so they will just keep on doing that I mean, if you have to irrationally hate someone, I guess billionaires are going to be the ones with the resources to handle it, but I'd really rather we as a society move away from this sort of cathartic scapegoating altogether. The more we normalize taking our anger out on some group or a…

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Post by meepmorp »

p0pcult wrote: post #203
zarathustreal wrote: post #151

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>after releasing damning evidence of corruption and collusion in the highest echelons of government and industry When did he do this? He released cherry picked anecdata that supports his priors, proving literally nothint.

even the cherrypicked stuff he did release is a nothingburger

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Post by ActorNightly »

IgorPartola wrote: post #209
mannykannot wrote: post #11

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His commitment to his free speech is unwavering.

Remember all those comments on HN for how right Musk is to decent free speech and how this is definitely going to improve Twitter? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

Lets not pretend that just because some people happened to be right, that is an indicator of some information that they had. Most of the hate towards Twitter came from hate towards Musk.

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Post by r0m4n0 »

yanderekko wrote: post #27
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

He is definitely changing course here (he has publicly stated he wouldn’t squash this account) but my idea is, one of his peons is enforcing some policy about automated scripts controlling accounts. Has anyone read the TOS or seen what has changed?

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Post by starkd »

whimsicalism wrote: post #90
czbond wrote: post #59

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I'm okay if you place a GPS location tracker on any hypothetical private jet I own.

Sort of like saying if you have nothing to hide, why should you be afraid of the police? Civil liberties are just a luxury for the innocent?

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Post by fellowniusmonk »

knicholes wrote: post #227
pjc50 wrote: post #157

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Why does anyone care about alternative "narratives"? Are there any other facts that one might like to introduce? Not alternative facts, things that actually happened.

Because facts can be interpreted in different ways. Any action can be interpreted as self-interest, but perhaps the true motive is different. You gave money to a school to pay for lunches? You were just trying to get your name in a newspaper because of your ego. Or maybe, just maybe, you're a person trying to do the right thing and make the world a slightly better place.

All the worst people I've ever known have argued against any goodness or altruism existing.

All the worst cheaters say everyone cheats (which apparently is enough justification to supersede their own public marital vows.)

Arguing that people are universally terrible is a huge signal that the person making the argument is terrible. Don't go into professional partnerships with them, I've seen at least 3 people like that whose behavior has devolved into eventual jail time and they've wrecked their companies.

The world has a surprisingly high percentage of amoral assholes who have a vested interest in pretending everyone is as misanthropic and self-centered as they are, but it's still a small minority.

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Post by JadeNB »

starkd wrote: post #170
pjc50 wrote: post #157

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Why does anyone care about alternative "narratives"? Are there any other facts that one might like to introduce? Not alternative facts, things that actually happened.

There is an alternative justification in the right to privacy. Such accounts are indeed reckless with no corresponding need to know. No one's free speech rights are being suppressed here.

> There is an alternative justification in the right to privacy. Such accounts are indeed reckless with no corresponding need to know. No one's free speech rights are being suppressed here.

But Musk had previously called out specifically this account as one that he would not ban (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456). So, whether or not he has a right to ban it, this represents a reneging on an explicit commitment.

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