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TSMC ups Arizona investment from $12B to $40B with second semi fab

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Post by starkd »

philliphaydon wrote: post #280
starkd wrote: post #272

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There is still widespread anti-unification support, but, as with everything, it's a bit more complex. Recent elections took a bit of the wind out of its sails. Chinese military excercises have taken somewhat of a toll. I know they don't want to end up like Hong Kong, but these public shifts matter if the people don't think they are being supported internationally. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-27/ta…

Local elections don’t have any influence on national elections. Green always loses more to blue. The issue at national level isn’t anything to do with anti unification or anything like that. Alot of people here feel like real issues are not being dealt with. Like the cost of living continues to go up and isn’t addressed.

Well, I hope you're right. I'd hate to see Taiwan fall. It will be up to the Taiwanese on how hard they want to fight. Unfortunately, if they sense it's a losing proposition, many may end up throwing in the towel. That's what I fear.

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Post by pcwalton »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #269
tptacek wrote: post #266

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The Disney thing is an urban legend, right?

> Disney thing is an urban legend, right? I’ve heard the claim repeated by an Alcor employee. But they may have been repeating a myth. (Alcor definitely exists, and claims it chose Phoenix for the aforementioned reasons.)

Walt Disney was cremated. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/suspended-animation/

It's right there on the death certificate: https://findadeath.com/wp-content/uploads/directory/w/Walt_D...

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

_-david-_ wrote: post #207
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #185

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This is onshoring - to the shores of a country whose national sporting league called The World Series . There is a distinctly USA centric view of the world :/)

MLB isn't a national thing. There are two countries (US and Canada) who have teams.

Honestly I am not sure if that is sarcasm or not :-)

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Post by x3qt »

ethbr0 wrote: post #239
Varloom wrote: post #34

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The article is wrote for tech illiterate audience. They will use EUV for the first factory (2024). And High-NA EUV (next gen from ASML) for the second factory in 2026. 4nm,3nm are just marketing terms, and means nothing, since they stopped naming nodes according to their actual size since 16nm.

But words are just, like, socially-defined metaphysical constructs that only occasionally and coincidentally overlap with physical reality, man.

"Physical reality" is also a construct, philosophically saying there's only information.

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Post by dang »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #240
rsj_hn wrote: post #233

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Really you need to understand your opponent's utility function before immediately leaping to making summary judgments that China is not acting in its own interest. For example, knowing that mainland China and Taiwan are the remnants of a civil war, in which mainland China has wanted to absorb Taiwan long before it had any chip fabs, as China views itself as the nation of the Chinese people as a whole, with Taiwan a h…

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Please keep tedious tropes and canned arguments like "whataboutism" [1] out of HN comments. They're reflexive reactions [2] that aren't compatible with the curious conversation we want here.

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?query=whataboutism%20by:dang&dateRan...

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Post by dang »

knolax wrote: post #268
CamperBob2 wrote: post #240

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Ban me if you want but this is the dumbest comment reply I have ever seen. Chatbots regularly display more intelligence than this. I feel bad for anybody who has to interact with you in real life.

Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes everything worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by trashface »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #269
tptacek wrote: post #266

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The Disney thing is an urban legend, right?

> Disney thing is an urban legend, right? I’ve heard the claim repeated by an Alcor employee. But they may have been repeating a myth. (Alcor definitely exists, and claims it chose Phoenix for the aforementioned reasons.)

The legend I heard was that only his head was frozen. I believe Alcor does provide head freezing services and at cheaper cost than whole-body.

Re: TSMC ups Arizona investment from $12B to $40B with second semi fab

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Post by miguelazo »

thehappypm wrote: post #253
miguelazo wrote: post #225

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This treated sewage is the water that Vegas now provides for general use, and what AZ will need just for its people in about 5 years. Wasting it on chip production is going to go over slightly better than the Saudis wasting groundwater on alfalfa.

They could literally truck Evian water in if they wanted to. Water is extremely cheap compared to just about every substance on earth, and it’s hard to imagine that water costs can be a problem for this type of operation.

You're assuming that the severe undervaluing of natural resources in the US will simply continue. Try taking a field trip to a place (including the US), where people can't drink the water that comes out of their tap, and you'll get a better idea of where this leads. In no universe can TSMC use bottled water, much less Evian, and be competitive.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

dang wrote: post #285
CamperBob2 wrote: post #240

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Please keep tedious tropes and canned arguments like "whataboutism" [1] out of HN comments. They're reflexive reactions [2] that aren't compatible with the curious conversation we want here. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?query=whataboutism%20by:dang&dateRan... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

Honestly, what other response is appropriate for the post I replied to? (A rhetorical question to which I already know the answer: "No response at all.")

Is that person engaging in good faith, in your opinion? A giant wall of text with a Kolmogorov complexity of maybe six or seven words, explaining how whatever happens is all everyone's fault but Russia's and/or China's, and that none of us have the moral authority necessary to question the outcome?

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Post by randomNumber7 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #227
rsj_hn wrote: post #209

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But it's only solid game theory if one side doesn't have escalatory dominance. For example, during the cold war, the US always had far, far fewer troops in Europe than the Soviet Union, and didn't have anywhere near the sea-lift capacity to transport the quantities of men and material necessary across the Atlantic to defend Europe. But we had nukes, and so we had plans to nuke Germany in case Warsaw pact forces invad…

I'll confess that I don't understand Taiwan's importance to China. They can put a certain amount of their resources into taking Taiwan -- which will absolutely not gain them access to TSMC's production capacity under any conditions, due to a web of Western dependencies that runs deeper than any rabbit hole -- or they can put the same resources into improving their own economic strength. Why wouldn't they choose the l…

Then maybe you should read about the history of China (and Taiwan). And how it happened that Taiwan seperated from China.
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