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Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by hutzlibu »

themitigating wrote: post #110
atchoo wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they kind of have. Musk replied "that's fine" to Ye posting the Musk yacht photo and "that is not" to the Star of David Nazi symbol which suggests that was the final line for the ban. The "going deathcon one on the Jews", which led to the pre-Musk ban, is arguably a more explictly a violent threat than the symbol.

The swastika itself represents historical violence on the Jews. I would argue it alone is an explicit threat of violence because I can't see what other meaning today it could have?

The swastiska has had a very long history, before the Nazis misused it for their purpose.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

So when kayne used it, of course he referred to the Nazi symbol and just wanted attention and strongly hint at his antisemitism.

But other people can mean something very different:

"In several major Indo-European religions, the swastika symbolises lightning bolts, representing the thunder god and the king of the gods, such as Indra in Vedic Hinduism, Zeus in the ancient Greek religion, Jupiter in the ancient Roman religion, and Thor in the ancient Germanic religion."

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

woah wrote: post #125

One big online platform that has totally skimped on reasonable moderation is the charmingly named "E-Mail". Child porn, copyright infringement, harassment, hate speech, spam, you name it. Anything goes. It's a complete free-for-all. Giant internet companies like Google and Microsoft make billions of dollars a year through their partnerships with the E-Mail platform. These big companies do make a token effort to remov…

Email is one to one or one to many. Twitter is one to all. The burden of responsibility is different because of the scope of reach.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by scythe »

luckylion wrote: post #79
scythe wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My idea, which I've posted before, is that you require users to pay to turn off the filter. (After all, if they're bad for ad revenue, they can't be "the product".) This also mostly enforces region-locking, at least requiring some effort to bypass.

In what way would it enforce region-locking, and why would that be a good thing?

Usually your payment method is tied to your country of residence (bank/currency), and from the platform's perspective (as a business) region-verification locks on content/behavior are demanded by national governments.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by anon291 »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #97
anon291 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Why did you feel the need to misrepresent what actually happened, then? The word "trans" is conspicuously absent from your original comment; you described it as "a satire article naming a national bureaucrat as man of the year".

Because it's not particularly relevant. Satire articles make jokes about all kinds of people. For example, SNL regularly has females portray cis males and males portray cis females. Politicians regularly (rightly or wrongly) attack their opponents as not living up to whatever gender ideals exist.

As an example, SNL had a lady play Rudy Giuliani to make fun of him: https://popculture.com/tv-shows/news/snl-cecily-strongs-mich...

Why is one acceptable and the other not, other than one's own perceived bias about which 'side' has the moral upper hand?

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by CamperBob2 »

A lot of those issues are trivially solvable with the response, "We're a US company. We're not bound to whatever goofy laws there are in your country. If you don't like it, that's your problem, not ours. Block our site, or don't, we don't actually care."

Trouble is, that's a good way to build a $5 billion social networking site, not a $50 billion one. Also a good way to get arrested seconds after setting foot in country XYZ.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by footlose_3815 »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #132
woah wrote: post #125

One big online platform that has totally skimped on reasonable moderation is the charmingly named "E-Mail". Child porn, copyright infringement, harassment, hate speech, spam, you name it. Anything goes. It's a complete free-for-all. Giant internet companies like Google and Microsoft make billions of dollars a year through their partnerships with the E-Mail platform. These big companies do make a token effort to remov…

Email is one to one or one to many. Twitter is one to all. The burden of responsibility is different because of the scope of reach.

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by bjt2n3904 »

Yeah, this guide is pretty ridiculous.

So many of these "problems" came from bad legislation and a culture that enabled it.

"Hi boss, we're getting millions of DMCA takedown requests."

The solution? Fix the brokenness of the DMCA.

"Hey boss, we're getting a lot of notifications about misleading info!"

Ok, tell the users to not believe everything they read on the Internet.

"Hey boss, we're getting lots of reports about hateful content that people find offensive."

Ok, delete the report button, tell people if they are threatened to contact their local law enforcement agencies, and supply them with better tools to manage troll armies.

So many of these things can be solved by deleting the problem to the appropriate level. But instead, our culture demands for Ministries of Truth and Love.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by themitigating »

martindbp wrote: post #130
woah wrote: post #125

One big online platform that has totally skimped on reasonable moderation is the charmingly named "E-Mail". Child porn, copyright infringement, harassment, hate speech, spam, you name it. Anything goes. It's a complete free-for-all. Giant internet companies like Google and Microsoft make billions of dollars a year through their partnerships with the E-Mail platform. These big companies do make a token effort to remov…

This is unfortunately exactly what will happen. What is scary to me is how censorship has become completely accepted by the new generation, including software engineers here in their 20s. No true hacker (this is Hacker News after all) would be OK with corporation or government censorship. Slippery slope is real.

In the past and in some places today profane and obscene material was/is censored and no one bats an eye. Books are being removed from libraries and that has happened apparently for decades.

This type of censorship has been completely accepted by all past generations.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by someNameIG »

pannSun wrote: post #86
pfisherman wrote: post #22

I do and don’t understand all the hubbub about “free speech” on Twitter and other social platforms. I can understand the perspective that if someone is making claims that your platform / forum allows “free speech” then people are justified in being upset when this is not the case. On the other hand the rule since the days of dial up BBSs is: the sysop can do whatever they want with their system, and you are owed noth…

"I don't understand why people are upset when they get banned from the 40% of all roads, parks, and sidewalks that are owned by GloboCorp. In the old days of private homes, sure it sucked when you got thrown out of a houseparty, but that's just the game. It's both private property, there is no difference."

Oh no, you got banned from those places for wearing a nazi armband, but there's multiple other roads, parks, and sidewalks, that allow that (e.g. 4chan), just as easily accessible.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by jcampbell1 »

enumjorge wrote: post #118
tj-teej wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It only goes against his "free speech thing" if his "free speech thing" was actually a coherent ideology. Instead his "free speech absolutism" is a brand, it's there to signal what kind of person he is, it's not a set of principles and therefore cannot stand up to scrutiny.

> is a brand I wish more people would understand this. For people like Musk, his personal brand is extremely important and they spend a lot of effort portraying and selling a specific image. It is an important part of his success as a businessman. FTX’s Sam Bankman-Fried is another example. His disheveled, messy geek look was calculated, and in an interview after FTX’s collapse he basically admitted that some of his…

Elon Musk becomes a Fox News darling right before he launches an electric pickup truck. He obviously doesn’t want Tesla to be a brand associated with left wing politics.
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