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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by atchoo »

lesuorac wrote: post #82
themitigating wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How was (paraphrasing) "going defcon on the jews" not inciting violence? Edit: I want to add that I don't believe this is due to his manic depressive disorder but because he's a naraasstic asshole. Posting a picture of a swastika then saying how the Nazis and Hitler are great is the most obvious way to get attention. Fuck Kayne West

Is that officially what got Kanye banned? My understanding is that Twitter did not specify what exactly (i.e. which set of tweets) Kanye is banned for.

I think they kind of have. Musk replied "that's fine" to Ye posting the Musk yacht photo and "that is not" to the Star of David Nazi symbol which suggests that was the final line for the ban. The "going deathcon one on the Jews", which led to the pre-Musk ban, is arguably a more explictly a violent threat than the symbol.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by [deleted] »

anon291 wrote: post #88
jakelazaroff wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not really what happened to the Babylon Bee, though. They intentionally named a trans woman as their "man of the year". That would be Level Three of this article: > Level Three: “We’re the free speech platform! But no CSAM and no infringement!” > Power to the people. Freedom is great! > “Right, boss, apparently because you keep talking about freedom, a large group of people are taking it to mean they have ‘fre…

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by memish »

mabbo wrote: post #80
mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

I think the context of the banning of Kanye West is important. Kanye posted some really super antisemetic things. At one point, he posted a picture of a swastika overtop of a star of David. Then he posted an unflattering picture of Elon Musk- and was banned within minutes. When Elon Musk says "free speech" he means "free speech for me, not for thee". You can say anything you like, as long as Elon likes it too.

False. He specifically pointed out which one was fine and which one wasn't.

"Just clarifying that his account is being suspended for incitement to violence, not an unflattering pic of me being hosed by Ari.

Frankly, I found those pics to be helpful motivation to lose weight!" https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1598546057138524160

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by bink »

cinntaile wrote: post #74
nickthegreek wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is very relevant. His posts were blocked in every country (by removing his account). As an american, I dont expect to be banned from a social media company (ran in my country no less) because of a speech law halfway around the world. Elon isn't following policies, he is following his whim. The problem with that is all the previous moderation statements he made did not align with this banning.

Not banning a very public figure for posting a swastika would have killed (what is left of) Twitter ads.

That's what many have been saying for weeks now. But Musk has held to his "free speech except what's illegal" stance and accused advertisers who pulled ads of being against "free speech". If he's going to ban people for violating the laws of any country in which twitter operates then he'll effectively be turning twitter into disney and that goes against all of his claims.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by lynndotpy »

I really like this post. These are lessons I learned a long time ago, when I was 10 or so running web forums.

But there are three big things this misses:

1. What is and is not legal is usually decided in the courts. That's expensive, and lawyers help prevent you from getting to the courts in the first place.

2. The ideal goal for good discussion on a forum is transparency and consistency in moderation. For example, StackExchange sites censor heavily, but with a good effort to be transparent and consistent in doing so. (This is the major flaw with most "free speech" sites-- they make no effort whatsoever. It's just buzzword branding.)

3. When you're beholden to shareholders, then the goal for discussion is to be profitable. Free-speech ideals matter *only* to the extent that they are profitable.

You'll generally find the ideals in point 2 on small social media sites (up to ~1000 monthly users who make posts). These are ones where the active users all know one another, and where it's feasible for a user to read and respond to all the posts made on the site. (If you're nostalgic for mid-2000s webforums, then good news: They still exist!)

Crucially, these are sites meant to serve a need for community, with no intention of profit.

These are sites small enough that the social dynamics are closer to a discord server or group chat. It's easy to tell when good members are or not acting in good faith, and it's feasible for the admins/mods to openly discuss moderation decisions.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by themitigating »

lesuorac wrote: post #82
themitigating wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How was (paraphrasing) "going defcon on the jews" not inciting violence? Edit: I want to add that I don't believe this is due to his manic depressive disorder but because he's a naraasstic asshole. Posting a picture of a swastika then saying how the Nazis and Hitler are great is the most obvious way to get attention. Fuck Kayne West

Is that officially what got Kanye banned? My understanding is that Twitter did not specify what exactly (i.e. which set of tweets) Kanye is banned for.

I'm referring to pre musk ban. The exact tweet was “I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE,”

Someone was proposing incitement to violence has a threahold etc. This to me is clearly incitement to violence.

Some have claimed he didn't know what "death con" (defcon) means to which I say what could he have possibly meant. It's on Jewish People.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by jakelazaroff »

anon291 wrote: post #88
jakelazaroff wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not really what happened to the Babylon Bee, though. They intentionally named a trans woman as their "man of the year". That would be Level Three of this article: > Level Three: “We’re the free speech platform! But no CSAM and no infringement!” > Power to the people. Freedom is great! > “Right, boss, apparently because you keep talking about freedom, a large group of people are taking it to mean they have ‘fre…

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Why did you feel the need to misrepresent what actually happened, then? The word "trans" is conspicuously absent from your original comment; you described it as "a satire article naming a national bureaucrat as man of the year".

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by memish »

buzzdenver wrote: post #32

Elon went from free speech absolutist to "Twitter aims to serve center 80% of people, who wish to learn, laugh & engage in reasoned debate." Quite the u-turn. I'm sure he put zero thought into that 80% figure, but even banning 2% instead of 20% is a shockingly huge number.

Paul Graham says it's more like 90 or 95%.

"You could probably expand that 80% to 90% or even 95%. The extremists seem like they're more numerous than they are, because they talk so much and so loudly, but they're really a tiny minority." https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598720168737345539

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by nicce »

wnevets wrote: post #89
mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

Banning people who made fun of him also went against the whole free speech thing.

People have been literally banned for saying that Musk should pay taxes...

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by zimpenfish »

hintymad wrote: post #52

> “Excuse me, boss, we’re getting reports that there are child sexual exploitation and abuse (CSAM) images and videos on the site.” God people just love projecting and assuming the worst. Didn't Twitter close 500K additional accounts for child sexual exploitation? And Twitter didn't change their content moderation policy on child porn, no?

> And Twitter didn't change their content moderation policy on child porn, no?

They have gutted their moderation teams though - looks like there's one (1) left for all of Asia[1] - tens of millions of Twitter users.

[1] https://www.wired.co.uk/article/twitter-child-sexual-abuse-m...

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