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Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by Twisell »

AftHurrahWinch wrote: post #9

Is this the 12th time this article has been posted? @dang is there any chance HN will resume de-duplicating submissions in the future? Do you need a hand with anything? Don't tell my boss but I've got a few spare cycles this sprint. ;) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33448038 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33442277 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33749415 [3]: https://news.ycombinator.c…

Please however consider that tuning the system for this one time annoying doppelgagnger could have a global nefarious impact upon more modest stories.

If because someone posted on a weird timewindow the article never make it to the front page it's fair to allow those article another go.

An ill intentioned actor also could use this as an adversial strategy. For instance by self publishing bad buzz stories at the worst possible timing to ensure it won't make it to front page and could then exploit the de-duplicating algorithm to reject the story if it get publish again on a more favorable timeframe.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea per se, but it should be extremely carefully though out. And I'm not sure it's more efficient that the organic downvote of called out duplicate by the human readers.

PS: Quite ironically by engaging discussion here instead of simply calling out the dupe we are actually boosting this story...

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by hintymad »

> “Excuse me, boss, we’re getting reports that there are child sexual exploitation and abuse (CSAM) images and videos on the site.”

God people just love projecting and assuming the worst. Didn't Twitter close 500K additional accounts for child sexual exploitation? And Twitter didn't change their content moderation policy on child porn, no?

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by vletal »

textbookrental wrote: post #50
AftHurrahWinch wrote: post #9

Is this the 12th time this article has been posted? @dang is there any chance HN will resume de-duplicating submissions in the future? Do you need a hand with anything? Don't tell my boss but I've got a few spare cycles this sprint. ;) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33448038 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33442277 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33749415 [3]: https://news.ycombinator.c…

They seem to be trying to keep anything critical of Elon off the front page.

Any evidence?

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by fallingknife »

halfjoking wrote: post #45
tj-teej wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It only goes against his "free speech thing" if his "free speech thing" was actually a coherent ideology. Instead his "free speech absolutism" is a brand, it's there to signal what kind of person he is, it's not a set of principles and therefore cannot stand up to scrutiny.

Musk has repeatedly said that inciting violence will be banned while other forms of speech will be allowed. So I think he has a coherent ideology, but it still depends on a judgment call. When Kanye says he "loves Nazis" one could make the judgment he's endorsing violence against Jews because the context involves the history of what Nazis did. When Trump said on Jan 6th he wants his supporters to "fight" to "stop the…

There is a legal definition to fall back on in the case of inciting violence, and what Kanye said doesn't come close. Not that Twitter is obligated to hold to that definition, but I think it's pretty misleading to say you are for "free speech" and then define "inciting violence" so broadly as to have virtually no meaning.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by cjbgkagh »

halfjoking wrote: post #45
tj-teej wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It only goes against his "free speech thing" if his "free speech thing" was actually a coherent ideology. Instead his "free speech absolutism" is a brand, it's there to signal what kind of person he is, it's not a set of principles and therefore cannot stand up to scrutiny.

Musk has repeatedly said that inciting violence will be banned while other forms of speech will be allowed. So I think he has a coherent ideology, but it still depends on a judgment call. When Kanye says he "loves Nazis" one could make the judgment he's endorsing violence against Jews because the context involves the history of what Nazis did. When Trump said on Jan 6th he wants his supporters to "fight" to "stop the…

Incitement AFAIK requires eminence, it would not include publicly declaring a fondness of certain people, even if those people were violent. If that were so everyone wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt or declaring a fondness for The Communist Manifesto would also be incitement.

The real reason is that Kayne was booted is that he toxic waste and having him on Twitter would have damaged the Twitter brand and cost Elon money.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by mikkergp »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #4

90% of the problems come from laws not people. Except the CSAM laws (which are justified as they relate to real physical harm), I think all other laws shouldn't have existed. DMCA, hate speech, mocking presidents, it's all the same. If you're dealing with law might as well just pay good lawyers and stick to your principles instead of gently bending over.

How are CSAM laws only somewhat justified?

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by nickthegreek »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #30
nickthegreek wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

kanye isn't in those countries.

Not relevant. Was his post blocked in those countries?

It is very relevant. His posts were blocked in every country (by removing his account). As an american, I dont expect to be banned from a social media company (ran in my country no less) because of a speech law halfway around the world. Elon isn't following policies, he is following his whim. The problem with that is all the previous moderation statements he made did not align with this banning.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by new2this »

buzzdenver wrote: post #32

Elon went from free speech absolutist to "Twitter aims to serve center 80% of people, who wish to learn, laugh & engage in reasoned debate." Quite the u-turn. I'm sure he put zero thought into that 80% figure, but even banning 2% instead of 20% is a shockingly huge number.

I remember some stat that the loudest voices are the 8% on either end of the political spectrum. I couldn't find where I heard that, but Pew has some data that mirrors that.

I think that 20% is coming from this:

"The overall share of Americans who express consistently conservative or consistently liberal opinions has doubled over the past two decades from 10% to 21%"[1]

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2014/06/12/political-po...

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by themitigating »

textbookrental wrote: post #50
AftHurrahWinch wrote: post #9

Is this the 12th time this article has been posted? @dang is there any chance HN will resume de-duplicating submissions in the future? Do you need a hand with anything? Don't tell my boss but I've got a few spare cycles this sprint. ;) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33448038 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33442277 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33749415 [3]: https://news.ycombinator.c…

They seem to be trying to keep anything critical of Elon off the front page.

I'm giving you an upvote for visibility but I don't think it's a conspiracy just tribalism causing people to protect their "side".

I was expecting Kayne West being banned again to be the top post.

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