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Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by jcranmer »

musk_micropenis wrote: post #75
jcranmer wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hate speech is constitutionally-protected free speech. > mocking presidents ditto. The only things that are actively illegal in the US on the list in the article are CSAM and copyright infringement. There are examples that are illegal in other countries, but in the US, vanishingly little speech can be illegal.

Twitter extends beyond USA.

GP is complaining that the problems are because too much speech is illegal, whereas most of the items on the list are pretty explicitly because of unwanted, but legal, speech. Although a lot of the back half of the list is dealing with conflicts with international speech laws, to the point that you can get speech that is illegal to host in one country and illegal to take down in another country.

Incidentally, is there anyone on the compliance teams left at Twitter?

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by lesuorac »

themitigating wrote: post #61
halfjoking wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk has repeatedly said that inciting violence will be banned while other forms of speech will be allowed. So I think he has a coherent ideology, but it still depends on a judgment call. When Kanye says he "loves Nazis" one could make the judgment he's endorsing violence against Jews because the context involves the history of what Nazis did. When Trump said on Jan 6th he wants his supporters to "fight" to "stop the…

How was (paraphrasing) "going defcon on the jews" not inciting violence? Edit: I want to add that I don't believe this is due to his manic depressive disorder but because he's a naraasstic asshole. Posting a picture of a swastika then saying how the Nazis and Hitler are great is the most obvious way to get attention. Fuck Kayne West

Is that officially what got Kanye banned?

My understanding is that Twitter did not specify what exactly (i.e. which set of tweets) Kanye is banned for.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

nickthegreek wrote: post #28
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swastika is illegal in many countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

kanye isn't in those countries.

But twitter is. And I don't know if they have option for country level ban.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by lesuorac »

_ea1k wrote: post #23
mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

He backed away from unlimited free speech pretty quickly. Sometimes he's said it has to do with a legal boundary, but he hasn't had consistency about that. He's been pretty clear that hated by ~50% and fine with the other 50% of the population is the old line, not the new one. Where that puts the threshold is still an open question, and unfortunately one that will likely be answered somewhat capriciously. Then again,…

> He's been pretty clear that hated by ~50% and fine with the other 50% of the population is the old line, not the new one.

More like 20% for both of those numbers [1]. Most choices are non-binary ... most Americans just don't care about Elon.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1304563/us-adults-impres...

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by pannSun »

pfisherman wrote: post #22

I do and don’t understand all the hubbub about “free speech” on Twitter and other social platforms. I can understand the perspective that if someone is making claims that your platform / forum allows “free speech” then people are justified in being upset when this is not the case. On the other hand the rule since the days of dial up BBSs is: the sysop can do whatever they want with their system, and you are owed noth…

"I don't understand why people are upset when they get banned from the 40% of all roads, parks, and sidewalks that are owned by GloboCorp. In the old days of private homes, sure it sucked when you got thrown out of a houseparty, but that's just the game. It's both private property, there is no difference."

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by zimpenfish »

mabbo wrote: post #80
mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

I think the context of the banning of Kanye West is important. Kanye posted some really super antisemetic things. At one point, he posted a picture of a swastika overtop of a star of David. Then he posted an unflattering picture of Elon Musk- and was banned within minutes. When Elon Musk says "free speech" he means "free speech for me, not for thee". You can say anything you like, as long as Elon likes it too.

> Then he posted an unflattering picture of Elon Musk- and was banned within minutes.

Oh, that's probably the reason - Ol' Muskie is really quick on the suspension button for people who mock him.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by anon291 »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #44
anon291 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That's not really what happened to the Babylon Bee, though. They intentionally named a trans woman as their "man of the year". That would be Level Three of this article: > Level Three: “We’re the free speech platform! But no CSAM and no infringement!” > Power to the people. Freedom is great! > “Right, boss, apparently because you keep talking about freedom, a large group of people are taking it to mean they have ‘fre…

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by wnevets »

mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

Banning people who made fun of him also went against the whole free speech thing.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by throwawayacc4 »

musk_micropenis wrote: post #78
throwawayacc4 wrote: post #15

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Relative to other large social media sites (reddit, Tumblr, Twitter pre-Elon, etc.) HN is a bastion of free speech. Reddit being possibly the least free of them all.

HN is much more heavily moderated than those websites. Which is a good thing, it's why conversations here tend to be of a higher quality. I don't think the HN style of moderation would scale to places like Reddit even if they wanted it.

>HN is much more heavily moderated than those websites.

This couldn't be further from the truth. Reddit is orders of magnitude more heavily moderated than HN. Your average run of the mill subreddit has more moderators than the entirety of HN.

>Which is a good thing, it's why conversations here tend to be of a higher quality.

I think the conversations here are higher because of the userbase, not dang's moderation. The site doesn't lend itself to the toxic userbase that reddit and tumblr has.

>I don't think the HN style of moderation would scale to places like Reddit even if they wanted it.

There are subreddits with more scale than HN, with more moderation. Scale is definitely not an issue.

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