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Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by tryauuum »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #4

90% of the problems come from laws not people. Except the CSAM laws (which are justified as they relate to real physical harm), I think all other laws shouldn't have existed. DMCA, hate speech, mocking presidents, it's all the same. If you're dealing with law might as well just pay good lawyers and stick to your principles instead of gently bending over.

I wish some small country would promise not to interfere with content moderation. I'd host all my stuff there and maybe even move there

When I worked in a russian hosting provider a decade ago, I saw a glimpse of censorship, very small compared to current level. We received a message that some page on a small news website is illegal, because it "provides information on how to commit suicide", which was considered inappropriate information for kids. The page in question was a news report about a conscript who killed himself with an AK due to bulling.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by pfisherman »

I do and don’t understand all the hubbub about “free speech” on Twitter and other social platforms.

I can understand the perspective that if someone is making claims that your platform / forum allows “free speech” then people are justified in being upset when this is not the case.

On the other hand the rule since the days of dial up BBSs is: the sysop can do whatever they want with their system, and you are owed nothing. If people do not like how they operate, then they migrate somewhere else. Sure it sucks when you get on the wrong side of a sysop and get banned from a popular board, but that’s just the game.

The era of mobile phones / internet is truly the eternal September. :)

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by _ea1k »

mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

He backed away from unlimited free speech pretty quickly. Sometimes he's said it has to do with a legal boundary, but he hasn't had consistency about that.

He's been pretty clear that hated by ~50% and fine with the other 50% of the population is the old line, not the new one.

Where that puts the threshold is still an open question, and unfortunately one that will likely be answered somewhat capriciously. Then again, that's not really different from before.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by arminiusreturns »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #20
colordrops wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, didn't Elon say something about any speech that is not illegal should be allowed? Did Kanye say anything illegal?

Swastika is illegal in many countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

So is blasphemy. I'm glad I don't live in those countries.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by cypress66 »

He probably got scared by advertisers or Apple or something.

Ideally in my opinion, Twitter should have a setting by default that hides all of that content, but if you disable it you get 4chan-like moderation (so anything that's legal). In countries with a lesser degree of freedom of speech (I think swastikas are illegal in Germany for example), you wouldn't be able to disable that setting.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by nickthegreek »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #20
colordrops wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, didn't Elon say something about any speech that is not illegal should be allowed? Did Kanye say anything illegal?

Swastika is illegal in many countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

kanye isn't in those countries.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by colordrops »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #20
colordrops wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, didn't Elon say something about any speech that is not illegal should be allowed? Did Kanye say anything illegal?

Swastika is illegal in many countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

Did he post a swastika? I'm not aware of what exactly got him banned.

Wasn't Elon talking about the US anyway? Political speech itself is banned in many countries, so surely that wasn't his measure.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

nickthegreek wrote: post #28
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swastika is illegal in many countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols

kanye isn't in those countries.

Not relevant. Was his post blocked in those countries?
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