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Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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When I say VAERS notoriously undercounts, I’m referring to the literature on the subject. For example, the Harvard report Electronic Support for Public Health - Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (ESP:VAERS) https://digital.ahrq.gov/ahrq-funded-projects/electronic-sup... : Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, le…

I mean, there is no standard of proof that will convince you that the vaccine is better than the virus. But also, I'm not really trying to convince you of anything. I'm just stating why your sources don't say what you think they do. As well as explaining confounding variables that your reference doesn't take into account for what that means. None of your sources are accounting for how politically embroiled this vacci…

> I mean, there is no standard of proof that will convince you that the vaccine is better than the virus.

So... what you're saying is that the vaccine is not better than the virus? Because that is the simplest and best explanation for this observation.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Covid has killed millions. How many have died of myocarditis? While I agree with your sentiment, it's hyperbolic to claim the vaccine has done "exponentially more damage than the virus".

With the way the numbers around Covid and Covid deaths were cooked, there is no way to determine how many died from Covid. Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-excess-deaths-hi... There is evidence of statistical lies perpetuated to benefit big pharma. - The extreme false positive rate of COVID testing - Blindly combining "of" and "with" Covid cases for cause of…

> The extreme false positive rate of COVID testing

Tools developed in one tenth of the normal time aren't perfect. Hardly surprising. If they detected covid most of the cases when people had it, they work. Much better than having no tools at all.

> Blindly combining "of" and "with" Covid cases for cause of death based on those same broken tests.

It does not matter if you die directly by a disease or by the sequels of the disease.

Lets assume that people were not dying really from covid. This still leads us with the problem that people were dying massively and more often than in normal years so we have a second hidden agent killing people that nobody found. How do we explain it?

> Influenza, pneumonia magically took a couple of years off during Covid

Easily explainable when everybody was using masks and social distance in those two years. People remaining at home don't pick influenza at the same rate than people in a concert

> PCR testing cycles at extreme highs

I'm unsure about what you want say with that. PCR testing needs to chase an organism that is mutating fast. They need to change at a high pace. Lab chemicals and reactives having an expiring date is not rare

> and profits of the pharma companies that coerced unproven,

Green card granted by all regulatory agencies, so proven

> untested,

overtested, the entire planet toke it one year before the first antivacs

> ineffective "cures" that do not prevent infection

vaccines never claimed to prevent infection. The makers repeated it again and again.

> [not prevent] spread

About spread. Too litle, too late and one step forward, two backward.

Negationists and agents actively promoted the disease, sabotaged healthcare and created chaos. People was videotaped deliberately coughing in the face of other after tearing off their masks.

The same people were videotaped later grooming the masses to commit a coup. Caught trying to sell a computer stolen from the capitol to Russian agents. None of them where found linked with pharma companies (and is very unlikely that a pharma company would lobby for convincing people to reject pharma products).

Not really fair to blame pharma while people were sabotaging the control.

>, or reduce symptoms.

This is simply false. Is a proven fact that vaccines reduced symptoms and saved people. Just take a look at the statistical data.

Is proven empirically that most of the zillions of people that received the vaccines didn't developed serious collateral effects.

Is proven than the group that received vaccines had a lower mortality than the group that rejected them. There are dozens of notorious antivacs videotaped bragging about the "inoffensive" disease, actively trying to caught it, doing everything wrong on purpose... and realizing too late that they will were dying from covid.

I agree that the main cause of death here should be stupidity, not covid.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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>But that doesn't change the fact that vaccines save lives. Yeah, all fine and good when you have informed consent. I took my life in my own hands by not getting vaccinated for covid after I looked at the mortality age graph, and knew I was fit and healthy and didn't need to worry. Society at large, however, castigated me, threw me in the same box as a conspiracy theorist, denied me my rights. People acted goddamn st…

Saving lives is not always about saving your life. You don't live in a vacuum, your decisions affect other people around you. Where your decisions don't affect people around you, you're absolutely correct. But infectious diseases are not one of those cases.

Are you still, three years after the initial outbreak, continuing this nonsense? None of your talking points make sense and have been repeatedly shattered into the brittle sophistry that they are.

The risk of myocarditis is an existential risk to my being, and one that only a fool would take.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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I don't watch TV. I hate TV. I am a programmer. I will never be programmed. People who fear, they do so because they were programmed.

How do you deal with the fact that the majority of people are programmed into absolute submission? I hate it.

I pray a lot, it is all I can do. :(

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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I didn't downvote you but if the 12 billion or so COVID vaccine doses issued world wide don't convince you that the vaccine is statistically safe, at least as safe as something as common as paracetamol or aspirin, then what amount of testing would convince you?

The 12 billion or so COVID vaccine doses given also only have a history of ~2 years. If the adverse effects of it were say for instance, minor cardiac damage that resulted in no acute symptoms, but instead an overall reduction in life expectancy by 5 years, the costs of such would not be known for some time. Another side of this is the possible cumulative effects of ongoing covid vaccination boosters that have no lon…

> The 12 billion or so COVID vaccine doses given also only have a history of ~2 years. If the adverse effects of it were say for instance, minor cardiac damage that resulted in no acute symptoms, but instead an overall reduction in life expectancy by 5 years, the costs of such would not be known for some time.

Can you explain how this standard of rigueur leads to anything less than a complete halting of medical research?

The original trials for the Pfizer vaccine were conducted on 46k people (half of which necessary recieved a placebo). At the time of those trials there was no shortage of willing volunteers to take part in the trial, no limit on the amounts of funding available and a considerable appetite to do something. Other trials have to make to with much fewer participants with hundreds to low thousands seemingly typical.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

It boggles my mind that despite inflicting obvious and severe harm on your very own kids, people still believe in "vaccines". Let alone $10k. Chances you kid would have gotten any troubles from covid are statistically absolutely negligible, given his age and hopefully absence of other illnesses. Now you can blame as anti-vaxxer and sorts, but at least I didn't get myocarditis.

> It boggles my mind that despite inflicting obvious and severe harm on your very own kids, people still believe in "vaccines". Let alone $10k.

it boggles my mind that despite being plugged into an information network people can be this staggeringly ignorant about the wild success of vaccines

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Norway recommends booster doses for 65+ [0], Denmark for 50+ [1], Australia for 50+ [2], Sweeden for 65+ [3], Finland for 65+ [4]. United States recommends booster does for 5+ [5]. "The (Florida) State Surgeon General now recommends against the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines for males ages 18-39 years old." [6] [0] https://www.fhi.no/en/id/vaccines/coronavirus-immunisation-p... [1] https://www.sst.dk/en/English/Corona-eng/Va…

And yet despite that these countries have much much higher rates of booster vaccination than the USA does (not to mention there are dozens of other countries not listed in your comment with similar policies to the USA). I think this has more to do with how the health agencies in these countries choose to communicate than anything else; that is I don't think the wording and nuance of all recommendations can be directl…

Do not forget that those numbers including people who has boosters only on paper. I know plenty of people that has just papers for both vaccination and boosters. Including doctors and health care staff.

You konw... If there is push, you'll pushed to find another way.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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It is horrifying that we have to do those studies after mass distribution. Which proves experimental status of those mRNA vaccines.

Btw, those studies will be irrelevant and not trusted if will be made by same companies that pushing vaccines.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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I have a couple kids (teens). I'm worried about many other things, not COVID; it's just far down on my list of things that I consider active risks to my children that I have the power to impact. I don't really have time to cross reference all your different comments, but when you post a comment that is just appeal to emotion, I tend to mention it.

I mean, it's definitely the kind of good constructive criticism that really helps improve the discussion. In all honesty, I will say that pointing out rhetorical styles is probably the least constructive internet discussion you can have. Mostly because even if you can point to a logical fallacy, doing so doesn't negate the underlying argument unless you can actually explain it.

Your logical fallacy is that those 1900 kids are indistinguishable from the other millions.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Sounds like there never was a reasonable case for mandates then :)

For young people the risk of death goes from something like 0.1% to 0.01% with the vaccine (just aiming for order of magnitude risks), which isn't a big deal for an individual. However, when you are talking about populations of 10s of millions in low risk age ranges, it's 10,000's of preventable deaths! Even if you don't care about the deaths (it's their choice to die; whatever), note that for every death, there are…

> it's 10,000's of preventable deaths!

Not in young age groups its not. Those 10k at risk of Covid death are at significantly higher risk of death from other causes too. If we stratified by more than age you'd see significantly reduced IFR among all age groups in the group without comorbidities. Quit lumping all people together, this is the age of big data and we should be using it to enhance lives not subjugate with blithe renderings.

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