my heart has hurt since the vaccine
I've also had chest pains.
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#372Earlier quoted context omitted.
Flu shots were not mandated for work, study or travel.
Is anyone requiring boosters for work, study or travel? Not to my knowledge.
Harvard requires all students to be up-to-date on their COVID-19 vaccinations including the bivalent Omicron-specific COVID-19 booster.
https://www.harvard.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-informa...
Yale students will be required to get an updated, bivalent COVID-19 vaccine booster by the start of the spring semester.
https://yalecollege.yale.edu/get-know-yale-college/office-de...
Tufts University followed suit on Sept. 16, announcing it would require students, staff, and faculty to get the omicron vaccine booster by Dec. 2.
https://coronavirus.tufts.edu/healthy-at-tufts/covid-19-vacc...
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#373If the risk of myocarditis after covid vaccination is lower than the risk of hospitalization due to covid infection, mandating vaccination is still good public policy. It ultimately shifts the risk around, it is true, but it still improves the odds of survival for the people who will contract myocarditis also, because there was significant risk of covid crashing the medical infrastructure. This is the part of the story people seem to forget... It wasn't the primary risk of fatalities due to covid that triggered mandatory quarantine and vaccination policies, it was the threat of saturating healthcare facilities to the point where people would die of myriad preventable conditions.
In the United States, we are still short-handed because nurses retired and nobody is stepping up to replace them.
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#374Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…
Isn't he risk of myocarditis actually higher if you get infected with covid compared with getting a covid vaccine? https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...
That's what the CDC claims now.
Earlier in pandemic 196k post Covid patients were monitored a year... "We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection."
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> Obamacare, which was forced upon us and costs us $2,400 PER MONTH, did not cover it Can you expand on this please? I find it extremely hard to understand how an ACA-compliant health care plan could "not cover" a hospital stay for myocarditis. Unless you're on a high-deductible plan and the entire stay was less than your deductible?
A two week hospital stay is orders of magnitude more than $10k, so presumably the $10k representes the out of pocket portion of the care. I suspect the maximum annual out of pocket.
A two week stay at the hospital may have amounted to over $170k at the optimistically low end.
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#376Earlier quoted context omitted.
That really depends on the age group. The chances of someone under 30 having any real negative effects to Covid is virtually 0, while there is some evidence pointing to males under the age of 30 having issues with the vaccine.
The chance of a male under 30 having issues is also virtually zero.
Sounds like there never was a reasonable case for mandates then :)
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#377Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. In particular, the contents of the mRNA vaccines are a subset of what a covid infection produces. The anti-vax stance is similar to the claims that tightly regulated nicotine vapes are worse than high tar cigarettes. (Except that you can just choose to not smoke, of course.)
I hear a lot of anti-vaxy stuff about how the spike protein is damaging in itself (implying that you shouldn't get the vaccine because you'll have spike proteins flowing around in your blood), but they seem to ignore the fact that when you get actual covid the virus is multiplying in your cells and spike proteins are more widespread and more numerous. I see the argument here in this thread that the vaccine isn't real…
> the virus is multiplying in your cells
The mRNA vaccines work by causing the spike protein to multiply in your cells. Yes, the mechanism is different - the virus copies itself and the spike protein just happens to be part of the virus, whereas the vaccine mRNA just causes the spike protein itself to be copied. Note that with the vaccine, you're getting a massive number of cells "infected" all at once, equivalent to quite a bit of virus self-replication. So the result is the same, a lot of spike protein floating around and doing damage. The main difference in result is that with the mRNA, there is an upper bound to the number of cells which can be infected (and which therefore have to be eliminated by your immune system), whereas with the virus there is effectively no upper bound. But that doesn't translate at all into a difference of how much damage the spike protein produced by X infected cells produces, and it doesn't mean that the number of infected cells with mRNA is significantly less than the number of infected cells you would have gotten with a successfully-fought-off infection. So it could do just as much damage.
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#378Just so we now for next time: what is the proper way to express concerns about _this_ kind of things with enough nuance and moderation so as not to be automatically considered an anti-scientist tin foil hat ? What is the scientifically acceptable way to phrase "I'm not concerned about BigPharma planting 5G chips in my future children's eyeballs to turn them into communist ; but I'm very concerned about blind spots du…
> what is the proper way to express concerns about _this_ kind of things with enough nuance and moderation so as not to be automatically considered an anti-scientist tin foil hat ?
The nuance is key. Frankly, I don't recall much in the way of nuance, I pretty much always saw concern about vaccines framed as a battle for freedom against a tyrannical political party.
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#379Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't downvote you but if the 12 billion or so COVID vaccine doses issued world wide don't convince you that the vaccine is statistically safe, at least as safe as something as common as paracetamol or aspirin, then what amount of testing would convince you?
So why are the companies in the article researching the risks if according to you there clearly are no risks? Do you know better than the manufacturers?
Please try to keep the level of discussion one step above junior school. Otherwise there is no point in us communicating further.
I didn't say there are no risks but those risks must necessarily be very low, as otherwise with a sample size of billions of doses issued even effects in the 1 in a million would be readily identifiable.
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> Doesn't that still apply to someone vaccinated though? Not at close to the same rate, no. "can" would be a technically true but entirely misleading word there, as the topic of conversation is the risk ratio. "1 in 10 chance" things can happen. "1 in a million chance" things can happen, also. But these two "can" usages are not the same. You should know this. You should not be playing word games. Do you think, falsel…
>Not at close to the same rate, no. That is highly debatable, especially with the current (weaker) strains. Unless you have comorbidities or are otherwise in a high-risk category the chance the Covid will kill you is near 0.
Only if your vaxxinated. If you arent then your gonna die, pretty much for sure.