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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by tinus_hn »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #316
Grim-444 wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flu shots also use a vaccine mechanism that's been known/used for decades and is not a first of its kind in history mRNA treatment. I feel like this difference would lead towards one requiring more testing than the other, at least in a rational society. [Edit] For anyone that wants to downvote this, please explain what I said that was untrue. Flu shots in the US have never been mRNA based. Covid shots in the US are m…

I didn't downvote you but if the 12 billion or so COVID vaccine doses issued world wide don't convince you that the vaccine is statistically safe, at least as safe as something as common as paracetamol or aspirin, then what amount of testing would convince you?

So why are the companies in the article researching the risks if according to you there clearly are no risks? Do you know better than the manufacturers?

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Post by mensetmanusman »

Fomite wrote: post #312
daliusd wrote: post #255

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It is endemic not pandemic anymore.

Endemic has a specific meaning - that there is an expected number of cases in a given population. That's not really established for COVID-19. Also, endemic doesn't mean something doesn't matter. In much of Africa, malaria is endemic. What you mean is "As a society we stopped caring."

Not necessarily, endemic might mean that it matters, but those who are especially at risk are taking more precautions.

E.g. I see lots of young not wearing masks to protect themselves, and I see more older people protecting themselves with masks. Seems like a reasonable balance.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by dekhn »

vikingerik wrote: post #96
kitsunesoba wrote: post #14

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Seeing how family who got infected prior to vaccine availability are still suffering brain fog and lack of energy even now, I am too. The long term effects of covid concern me far more than those of the vaccine do.

Remember the right comparison regarding apparent long-Covid: What proportion of people would self-report brain fog and lack of energy anyway, with nothing to do with Covid?

How much of everything can be explained by the brain's bias to ignore the base rate fallacy.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by PuppyTailWags »

Grim-444 wrote: post #277
peterbell_nyc wrote: post #263

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Same here. I live just north of NYC and it seems like pretty much everyone is getting covid. Luckily, mortality attributed to covid is continuing to decrease suggesting it's becoming less of an issue (in terms of deaths), but even with ~320 deaths a day, we're still looking at over 100k dying in the US every year of covid - despite the fact that a lot of the most vulnerable already died. I think we just have a new no…

Weren't we already in that same situation every year/decade prior to covid when between 20,000 and 50,000 would die from the flu each year? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_influenza_statis...

I think 20k/50k + an additional 100k from covid is pretty nasty, so I don't think it's the same at all. It's not like flu and covid are the same disease. I'm thinking covid will just add tens of thousands (or up to 100k like GP said). Sucks.

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Post by dekhn »

xracy wrote: post #164
spfzero wrote: post #131

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It also seems like, in the absence of assurance of long-term safety, you would recommend the vaccine for at-risk groups only. It's known now that the risk to young people (under 19) is minimal: IFR < 3/1,000,000. And that was during the much more dangerous early strain of Covid-19, not the ones circulating now. Yet here we are in 2022 with a recommendation from the CDC to vaccinate ages 5 and up, regardless of health…

It is wild to me that people look at a number like 3/1,000,000 and don't think wow, that's 1900 Children who could die from something we have a vaccine for, that actively prevents the cause. Also, can you imagine losing a child to something that was preventable? You can play numbers and statistics all day, but we're talking about children's lives. You're probably not a parent? But for reference, go find examples of p…

You're trying to do "appeal to emotion" argument, doesn't work super well here.

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Post by blitz_skull »

hitpointdrew wrote: post #16
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #15

Cool, now what's the incidence of Myocarditis and similar after COVID-19 infection? It's possible that such a vaccine causes a number of such cases, and still prevents a much larger number of them. In fact it also seems to be true in this case. Discussing the vaccines out of this context, is scaremongering. You're much better off taking your chances with the COVID-19 vaccine than taking your chances unvaccinated. htt…

According to this study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ there is no increase in Myocarditis cases among unvaccinated people who have contracted Covid-19. This study tracked 196,992 people which is a huge number, so the data here is quite good and clear. Contracting Covid-19 does not put you at increased risk for Myocarditis, the same cannot be said when evaluating a population that simply received the vacci…

I had COVID twice, never got the vaccine (still haven't), and I was diagnosed with Myocarditis. I personally know 2 other young (I might say there's a "statistically insignificant increase", but to say there's no increase is just factually wrong. (And statistically wrong too).

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robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

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Post by dekhn »

skyde wrote: post #346
calculatte wrote: post #144

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With the way the numbers around Covid and Covid deaths were cooked, there is no way to determine how many died from Covid. Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-excess-deaths-hi... There is evidence of statistical lies perpetuated to benefit big pharma. - The extreme false positive rate of COVID testing - Blindly combining "of" and "with" Covid cases for cause of…

what do you mean by "than during Covid"? are you trying to imply covid have been eradicated ?

They mean the period from roughly March 2020 to ... hmm, about Omicron.

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Post by cthalupa »

Grim-444 wrote: post #272
walterbell wrote: post #235

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Flu shots were not mandated for work, study or travel.

Flu shots also use a vaccine mechanism that's been known/used for decades and is not a first of its kind in history mRNA treatment. I feel like this difference would lead towards one requiring more testing than the other, at least in a rational society. [Edit] For anyone that wants to downvote this, please explain what I said that was untrue. Flu shots in the US have never been mRNA based. Covid shots in the US are m…

It is a rare but known side effect of even regular flu vaccines causing myocarditis, e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6786665/

>The true incidence of myocarditis after influenza vaccination may be underestimated because of the subclinical and nonspecific clinical manifestations of myocarditis. A prospective study about the incidence of cardiovascular adverse events after smallpox and influenza vaccination revealed that the rate of clinical or subclinical myocarditis and pericarditis after smallpox vaccination was approximately 1:5,500, despite the fact that the rate of troponin elevation was 1:200 [9]. Similarly, 2.6% of the influenza vaccine cohort showed new onset cardiac symptoms, such as chest pain, dyspnea, and palpitation, but no case of clinical or subclinical myocarditis and pericarditis

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Post by annexrichmond »

rsj_hn wrote: post #290
jjcon wrote: post #250

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And yet despite that these countries have much much higher rates of booster vaccination than the USA does (not to mention there are dozens of other countries not listed in your comment with similar policies to the USA). I think this has more to do with how the health agencies in these countries choose to communicate than anything else; that is I don't think the wording and nuance of all recommendations can be directl…

A lot of this has to do with social trust and politicization. For a number of reasons, going back to the early days of Tuskeegee syphilis studies, public health in the U.S. is viewed by large portions of the public as imperious, corrupt, unaccountable, beholden to big business and/or utopian ideologies, and is generally viewed with suspicion by many on the left and on the right. African Americans have the lowest vacc…

It's interesting the narratives you hear with regards to antivaxxers.

My sister is vegan and is in many vegan, all-natural, etc Facebook groups. She told me there's a lot of overlap of people there and people who chose not take the COVID vaccine.

One of her best friends is a teacher in Canada from Trinidad; she grew up without vaccines and similarly never gave her child the COVID vaccine

These two examples just seemed very different than the typical "antivaxxer" I hear about. Although it still seems premature to call someone who only doesn't take the first mainstream mRNA vaccine an antivaxxer.

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