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Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by phtrivier »

Just so we now for next time: what is the proper way to express concerns about _this_ kind of things with enough nuance and moderation so as not to be automatically considered an anti-scientist tin foil hat ?

What is the scientifically acceptable way to phrase "I'm not concerned about BigPharma planting 5G chips in my future children's eyeballs to turn them into communist ; but I'm very concerned about blind spots during testing and biases in protocol and just plain bad luck that made us miss something ?"

Maybe I just write too much software for a living, but my only certitude was that something, somewhere, was going to break. At least I can TDD the hell out of my paranoia. Don't let me write health policy, ever.

Sidenode: if this kid had chosen the wrong profession in the wrong country, he would now be facing either "getting a couple of other shot" or "loosing its job".

If he had made a tiktok video about his problems, or a facebook post, or a twitter thread, etc... at some point it would have been flagged, and it would have only garnered the attention of the worst possible scammers.

And, worst of all, I'm pretty sure his grandmother would now refuse to get boosted.

Talk about loose-loose :/

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by Fomite »

daliusd wrote: post #255
eftychis wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People I know are getting COVID in the Bay Area -- multiple weeks sick (I can count at least 6 -- in the moment -- for the span of middle of October until now). We are still in the pandemic. The problem is it has to stop everywhere for us to get complacent. Especially, given that everyone wants to travel -- and travel abroad. Pandemic is here. Nothing is over. We are distracted with other things. Things are "good" in…

It is endemic not pandemic anymore.

Endemic has a specific meaning - that there is an expected number of cases in a given population.

That's not really established for COVID-19.

Also, endemic doesn't mean something doesn't matter. In much of Africa, malaria is endemic.

What you mean is "As a society we stopped caring."

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by mertd »

taolegal wrote: post #10

The same people who wouldn't be charitable with, say, Exxon, are bending over backwards to defend global pharmaceuticals. Exxon has an interest in minimizing (disregarding) the harmful effects of their products and same goes for Pfizer & friends who's got every govt funneling money to them seemingly without limit.

Oil consumption creates negative externalities for everyone. Mass vaccination creates positive externalities. It's not that hard.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by benevol »

sfusato wrote: post #7

Norway recommends booster doses for 65+ [0], Denmark for 50+ [1], Australia for 50+ [2], Sweeden for 65+ [3], Finland for 65+ [4]. United States recommends booster does for 5+ [5]. "The (Florida) State Surgeon General now recommends against the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines for males ages 18-39 years old." [6] [0] https://www.fhi.no/en/id/vaccines/coronavirus-immunisation-p... [1] https://www.sst.dk/en/English/Corona-eng/Va…

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by eftychis »

daliusd wrote: post #255
eftychis wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People I know are getting COVID in the Bay Area -- multiple weeks sick (I can count at least 6 -- in the moment -- for the span of middle of October until now). We are still in the pandemic. The problem is it has to stop everywhere for us to get complacent. Especially, given that everyone wants to travel -- and travel abroad. Pandemic is here. Nothing is over. We are distracted with other things. Things are "good" in…

It is endemic not pandemic anymore.

Pandemic means it is endemic "everywhere."

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/pandemic-vs-endemi...

It does not describe severity. Ebola is endemic in parts of Africa. I still hope nobody gets it.

We can change the meanings of words for political reasons but who do we do a disservice too?

Given that it is a word from my mother language I find it a bit insulting when politicians decide to change my language though to benefit for a year or two.

Tl;Dr: Saying that covid is "endemic" to the whole world, is an insult to my ears, logic, and a whole language and people. They should pick a different word if they want to disagree with doctors worldwide.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by VBprogrammer »

Grim-444 wrote: post #272
walterbell wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flu shots were not mandated for work, study or travel.

Flu shots also use a vaccine mechanism that's been known/used for decades and is not a first of its kind in history mRNA treatment. I feel like this difference would lead towards one requiring more testing than the other, at least in a rational society. [Edit] For anyone that wants to downvote this, please explain what I said that was untrue. Flu shots in the US have never been mRNA based. Covid shots in the US are m…

I didn't downvote you but if the 12 billion or so COVID vaccine doses issued world wide don't convince you that the vaccine is statistically safe, at least as safe as something as common as paracetamol or aspirin, then what amount of testing would convince you?

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by bluGill »

spfzero wrote: post #207
bluGill wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The vaccine doesn't stop transmission That is utterly false! If you don't get COVID because of the vaccine, then the vaccine stopped the transmission. Even if you get COVID, the chance you transmit COVID is reduced becuase the body spreads less. If you do get it, but your body will also clear it faster which is less time to transmit. Sure the above is 100% stop all transmission, but it still stops the majority.

It cannot stop transmission, clearly. The country is mostly vaccinated and cases continue, no herd immunity ever showed up. The vaccines do reduce transmission in the minority of cases where full-blown symptoms last long enough that the reduction in infection length conferred by the vaccine is significant. But for most cases, they never progress to the point that the antibody response would become a factor, so most v…

While nobody knows the numbers required, we didn't get enough vaccinations for herd immunity.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by daliz »

phtrivier wrote: post #311

Just so we now for next time: what is the proper way to express concerns about _this_ kind of things with enough nuance and moderation so as not to be automatically considered an anti-scientist tin foil hat ? What is the scientifically acceptable way to phrase "I'm not concerned about BigPharma planting 5G chips in my future children's eyeballs to turn them into communist ; but I'm very concerned about blind spots du…

You are completely right.

People who expressed concerns or some doubts just a few months ago were attacked, downvoted, silenced and socially outcast.

This is not science. This is the opposite of science.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by bluGill »

cragfar wrote: post #236
hedora wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but the bad outcomes of Covid are > 10x more common than those of the vaccine, and they're also much worse.

That really depends on the age group. The chances of someone under 30 having any real negative effects to Covid is virtually 0, while there is some evidence pointing to males under the age of 30 having issues with the vaccine.

The chance of a male under 30 having issues is also virtually zero.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by _ea1k »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #75
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

Isn't he risk of myocarditis actually higher if you get infected with covid compared with getting a covid vaccine? https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...

The problem seems to be that the vaccine isn't decreasing infection risk all that much. Is it also decreasing myocarditis risk among the infected? I've seen mixed results, so it isn't clear to me.
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