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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by iceburgcrm »

yonaguska wrote: post #55
origin_path wrote: post #5

I'm very skeptical about their numbers. Some time in 2021 there was a story about COVID vaccines and heart issues here on HN. The comments filled up with people saying that ever since they'd got their shots they were experiencing new heart-related symptoms they'd never had previously like permanently racing heartbeats, palpitations/fluttering, inability to do exercise and more. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to re-fi…

I wish I could find it, but google is insistent on working against me here, but I remember reading from one of Pfizer's data dumps that children in the vaccinated group of their studies were at an increased risk of other respiratory infections compared to the control group. Anecdotally, some, not all, but some of my triple vaccinated friends are getting sick constantly and they've said that every time they catch covi…

What I understand based on a study posted here is the vaccine reduces your bodies ability to reactive and after 9 months the vaccine's preventive properties disappear making you more likely to get sick. The more shots the worse the affect.

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Post by jrumbut »

robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

Although it wasn't vaccine related, my wife had a similar bill for a similar reason and I learned a couple things:

They may be saying the hospital or some provider within it was out of network, challenge this on the grounds it was an emergency. Challenge everything on the grounds that it was an emergency.

We had excellent grounds to challenge a few of the charges from the hospital (clear billing mistakes), but it never got to the point of evidence. We just called to argue and they instantly dropped them. I would strongly advise just calling and complaining and seeing what that gets you.

Many hospitals offer interest/fee free installment plans, you just have to ask.

I am, by nature, a mild mannered (perhaps even meek) person, but let me tell you that just doesn't work with hospitals and insurers. Their process requires you to take an adversarial/demanding role with them otherwise you will not just get billed unnecessarily but also not receive all the care you are entitled to.

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Post by jjcon »

veeti wrote: post #279
jjcon wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet despite that these countries have much much higher rates of booster vaccination than the USA does (not to mention there are dozens of other countries not listed in your comment with similar policies to the USA). I think this has more to do with how the health agencies in these countries choose to communicate than anything else; that is I don't think the wording and nuance of all recommendations can be directl…

These numbers are wrong for Finland. Source: https://yle.fi/news/3-11863045

I'm seeing 72.4 from your source (last updated just over a month ago) vs 74% from the NYT. I'm guessing your source is just slightly older?

+1.6% in the past month seems reasonable to me

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

spfzero wrote: post #207
bluGill wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The vaccine doesn't stop transmission That is utterly false! If you don't get COVID because of the vaccine, then the vaccine stopped the transmission. Even if you get COVID, the chance you transmit COVID is reduced becuase the body spreads less. If you do get it, but your body will also clear it faster which is less time to transmit. Sure the above is 100% stop all transmission, but it still stops the majority.

It cannot stop transmission, clearly. The country is mostly vaccinated and cases continue, no herd immunity ever showed up. The vaccines do reduce transmission in the minority of cases where full-blown symptoms last long enough that the reduction in infection length conferred by the vaccine is significant. But for most cases, they never progress to the point that the antibody response would become a factor, so most v…

> It cannot stop transmission, clearly. The country is mostly vaccinated and cases continue, no herd immunity ever showed up.

This is a miststament.

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Post by thepasswordis »

GenerocUsername wrote: post #189
thepasswordis wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No amount of money can replace my child.

Then schools should not be mandating experimental therapies

You'll find no argument about that from me.

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Post by mach1ne »

shingle wrote: post #195

I can add my experience to this thread, as I was diagnosed with "atypical" pericarditis a little over a week after my first Pfizer shot. This started with chest pains, gradually increasing over the course of a day or two before I went to the hospital. I had to ask them to test for myopericarditis, because they were pretty much only considering an embolism or a panic attack. In that sense I was lucky that I had read a…

>I think that's what bothered me most: I did my part, I tried to protect society by getting a shot, but when confronted with negative fall-out I had to fight for a diagnosis and was pretty much laughed out of the room for suggesting a relation to the booster. I don't think I've processed this yet.

I recently came to believe that it's not accurate to model random humans as reflections of self. Situations like this make much more sense if you think the humans to be not much more but nodes of some greater societal 'meme' (as in infectious idea/ideology). Almost everyone is such a node in almost every respect. Better to drop the belief that you're operating in a world of copies of yourself, and rather embrace the model that you're operating in a world of memes, the nodes of which the people around you are. At least when it comes to explaining behavior which you have trouble understanding.

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Post by chroma »

eftychis wrote: post #150
no_butterscotch wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. I'm curious about this. In my world COVID is over now. I live in San Francisco. Nobody I know is getting boosters or is worried about it anymore. Where do you live and what are the circumstances like there that you're considering getting your "next" one? (you've been boosted before?).

People I know are getting COVID in the Bay Area -- multiple weeks sick (I can count at least 6 -- in the moment -- for the span of middle of October until now). We are still in the pandemic. The problem is it has to stop everywhere for us to get complacent. Especially, given that everyone wants to travel -- and travel abroad. Pandemic is here. Nothing is over. We are distracted with other things. Things are "good" in…

It should be clear by now that covid is never going away. No country managed to stop it, no matter how strict their policies were. Unless you plan to be a hermit for the rest of your life, expect to get covid every few years.

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Post by elsonrodriguez »

cerradokids wrote: post #257
oezi wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk from myocarditis from getting Covid-19 is higher than getting it from the vaccine. The decision to vaccinate even young people made sense during the height of the pandemic and it doesn't make so much sense now anymore.

Where did you get that data? According to this study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ there is no increase in Myocarditis cases among unvaccinated people who have contracted Covid-19. This study tracked 196,992 people which is a huge number, so the data here is quite good and clear. Contracting Covid-19 does not put you at increased risk for Myocarditis, the same cannot be said when evaluating a population t…

Of note is that this study is based on PCR tests. We would need a blood tests for more accuracy to ensure no historical infection took place. This also doesn't compare vaccinated infected vs unvaccinated infections.

It's a decent data point but not conclusive.

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Post by WookieRushing »

linuxftw wrote: post #252
ivraatiems wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, "do this or you're fired" is a coercive tactic. People who are pro-vaccine want everyone to get the vaccine. They believe it is a matter of life or death (frankly, I agree with them, but I am trying to present this neutrally). So that level of coercion, "fear losing your job if you don't do this" is exactly what I'm talking about. If people could be persuaded to do things that are in their interest via rational…

> it wouldn't be necessary to do that kind of coercion This is Marxist-level thinking.

When risk to society becomes high enough then it becomes necessary.

See paying taxes, conscription, jury duty

Though judging the level of risk is very hard and there is often not a clear line of when force is needed.

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Post by rsj_hn »

jjcon wrote: post #250
sfusato wrote: post #7

Norway recommends booster doses for 65+ [0], Denmark for 50+ [1], Australia for 50+ [2], Sweeden for 65+ [3], Finland for 65+ [4]. United States recommends booster does for 5+ [5]. "The (Florida) State Surgeon General now recommends against the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines for males ages 18-39 years old." [6] [0] https://www.fhi.no/en/id/vaccines/coronavirus-immunisation-p... [1] https://www.sst.dk/en/English/Corona-eng/Va…

And yet despite that these countries have much much higher rates of booster vaccination than the USA does (not to mention there are dozens of other countries not listed in your comment with similar policies to the USA). I think this has more to do with how the health agencies in these countries choose to communicate than anything else; that is I don't think the wording and nuance of all recommendations can be directl…

A lot of this has to do with social trust and politicization. For a number of reasons, going back to the early days of Tuskeegee syphilis studies, public health in the U.S. is viewed by large portions of the public as imperious, corrupt, unaccountable, beholden to big business and/or utopian ideologies, and is generally viewed with suspicion by many on the left and on the right. African Americans have the lowest vaccination rates by race.

But this is across the board. Prior to covid, for example, the ground zero for anti-vaccination movements was Marin County, California -- one of the most liberal counties in the nation, where only 50% of students in some schools were given smallpox/measles vaccines and there were outbreaks as a result.

Given this environment, American public health authorities should recognize their credibility gaps and embark on a program of transparency, consistency, accountability, and humility.

Unfortunately this is the exact opposite of their behavior. There remains deep ties between public health agencies and large pharmaceutical companies, public health officials continue to invest in and hold patents owned by companies that fall under their purview, there is still a revolving door between the two, there is very little transparency, no accountability for funding research in foreign labs to skirt US safety rules and congressional restrictions, public health officials were widely photographed in meetings without wearing masks (surrounded by masked servants), and they adopt imperious tones demanding draconian punishments for deviations from policy as well as calling for censorship of their critics. Fauci's declaration that "I am the science" is an example of this imperious attitude, which is frankly disastrous.

Until there is real reform, the U.S. is going to maintain a huge credibility gap vis-a-vis other nations, which will make public health efforts that much harder here, and will also lower long term public health outcomes.

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