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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by treeman79 »

robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

Wife for a booster. Arm swelled up. Been a year. No improvement. We had already had Covid. Current time in school boosters. All the teachers kept getting covid anyway. Hard to be anything then hostile toward anyone that is on the forcing people to get shots or to cut them from services train.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by anon291 »

selectodude wrote: post #32
hitpointdrew wrote: post #16

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According to this study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ there is no increase in Myocarditis cases among unvaccinated people who have contracted Covid-19. This study tracked 196,992 people which is a huge number, so the data here is quite good and clear. Contracting Covid-19 does not put you at increased risk for Myocarditis, the same cannot be said when evaluating a population that simply received the vacci…

A more recent one disagrees. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA....

When data disagree, then you need better studies. Certainly not blanket recommendations and requirements including firing people who refuse to comply and making it impossible to feed their families.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by treeman79 »

AmVess wrote: post #40
arein3 wrote: post #25

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Boggles my mind that parents are willingly exposing their kids to something they absolutely do not need.

Schools required it. No exemptions.

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Post by arein3 »

AmVess wrote: post #40
arein3 wrote: post #25

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Boggles my mind that parents are willingly exposing their kids to something they absolutely do not need.

The kid might even have had natural antibodies, since when the vaccines were approved for kids a very big percent of them already had covid.

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Post by yonaguska »

origin_path wrote: post #5

I'm very skeptical about their numbers. Some time in 2021 there was a story about COVID vaccines and heart issues here on HN. The comments filled up with people saying that ever since they'd got their shots they were experiencing new heart-related symptoms they'd never had previously like permanently racing heartbeats, palpitations/fluttering, inability to do exercise and more. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to re-fi…

I wish I could find it, but google is insistent on working against me here, but I remember reading from one of Pfizer's data dumps that children in the vaccinated group of their studies were at an increased risk of other respiratory infections compared to the control group.

Anecdotally, some, not all, but some of my triple vaccinated friends are getting sick constantly and they've said that every time they catch covid, it gets worse. This is just a few people out of several that I know, so it doesn't mean much if anything.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by nradov »

One mouse study found that vaccine injection without aspiration did significantly increase the risk of adverse cardiac events such as myocarditis. That research hasn't been reproduced in humans but this area deserves further investigation. As per CDC guidelines, US healthcare providers don't routinely aspirate prior to intramuscular injection.

https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/ciab941

https://doi.org/10.1007/s43440-022-00361-4

http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/postgradmedj-2021-141119

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/acip-recs/general-recs/admi...

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by bluGill »

yucky wrote: post #12
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

The actual FDA approval letter[0] calls out in the document that all long term testing will not be completed until May 2027. Pointing that out has always gotten one branded as an antivaxx conspiracy nutter, rather than a person who might want to ensure that, well, long term testing data is actually in before injecting something into their bodies. [0] https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download

> long term testing data is actually in before injecting something into their bodies.

You don't get a choice about COVID getting into your body, and that is far worse than whatever possible long term effects of the vaccine might be.

There may be concerning long term effects, but keep persepcive, the worst possible case is still better than the known case of COVID. And of course long term studies on COVID are also still in progress with all signs pointing to even more bad effects of COVID coming out in the coming years.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by TehCorwiz »

anon291 wrote: post #46
queuebert wrote: post #43

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Covid has killed millions. How many have died of myocarditis? While I agree with your sentiment, it's hyperbolic to claim the vaccine has done "exponentially more damage than the virus".

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Chemo Therapy is literally poisoning you just enough to kill the cancer.

The anti-arthritis medications I take cause terrible side effects.

These options are still better than the underlying problems. Throwing out pithy feel good quotes doesn't capture the nuance of the line that doctors walk when trying to treat illnesses. "Do no harm" is the ideal. In reality it's to do less harm than the disease.

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Post by frant-hartm »

anon291 wrote: post #45
ivraatiems wrote: post #35

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> The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. Sure, except for the 20+ million lives they saved: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/06/covid-19... > The erosion of trust in the institutions that are supposed to protect consumers has alone done exponentially more damage than the virus it self. Source needed. Re…

> Sure, except for the 20+ million lives they saved: There is no reason to expect 20 million people in the United States would have died if we had taken a european approach to vaccination approvals.

What was different in EU? Didn't we approve the same vaccines few weeks later?

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

queuebert wrote: post #43
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

Covid has killed millions. How many have died of myocarditis? While I agree with your sentiment, it's hyperbolic to claim the vaccine has done "exponentially more damage than the virus".

Millions die every year for we are mortal and numerous. Thankfully, the world's population grew during the pandemic.

210,000 to 448,000 Americans die every year to preventable medical errors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preventable_causes_of_death#An...

This is more people than COVID kills in the same time period, but strangely there's no panic about that. No mandates. No significant steps from any authorities to do anything about it. Perhaps because there's no money in that, unlike pushing a remedy for something that's not as significant as people feel.

edit: Since HN is ratelimiting me and not letting me reply to the below, here's the reply I've tried posting after an hour of "slowing down":

Checklists: https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/checklists-can-reduce-fata...

The same thing NASA uses to prevent human error: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19910001641

Mandatory checklists would wipe out most of them, yet there's no mandate for them.

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