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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Not the OP but: Covid definitely isn't over, it's just that we've gotten better at treating it and people have decided that they are over it. It is still killing almost 2000 people a week in the US and it's very possible that we will see a huge spike in that as we get further into winter. the "next" booster is referring to the updated vaccine that more effectively targets the dominant "Omicron" variant.

At least provide some facts to the 2000 people a week claim.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklydeath...

The last time it was under 2000 was july '21

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#192

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the OP but: Covid definitely isn't over, it's just that we've gotten better at treating it and people have decided that they are over it. It is still killing almost 2000 people a week in the US and it's very possible that we will see a huge spike in that as we get further into winter. the "next" booster is referring to the updated vaccine that more effectively targets the dominant "Omicron" variant.

At least provide some facts to the 2000 people a week claim.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#194

I think that all this COVID stuff was everything opposite than using science, starting from the people, including government, taking of "trusting science". Science is not a religion, and we don't have to believe in it. Instead we need to be critic, conduct experiments, evaluate our thesis, put everything into discussion. Something we didn't, because you are a fool if you have doubts about vaccines, if you talk about…

Correct, political science displaced science so quickly. Dark days are ahead unless the public is informed and able to resist. How did they force you to take a booster? Was it in order to keep your job?

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#195
I can add my experience to this thread, as I was diagnosed with "atypical" pericarditis a little over a week after my first Pfizer shot.

This started with chest pains, gradually increasing over the course of a day or two before I went to the hospital. I had to ask them to test for myopericarditis, because they were pretty much only considering an embolism or a panic attack. In that sense I was lucky that I had read a paper a month or so before, indicating young men (such as myself) as having an increased risk after Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccination. After diagnosis I had to go through a 3-month medication regimen which, I'll be honest, wasn't all that fun for my intestinal tract.

Thankfully I was deemed healthy after half a year, with low probability of lasting damage. Yet, the psychological weight of being confronted with heart disease in your mid-twenties is heavy. My opinions on vaccinations haven't really changed, though I think the legal and societal pressure to get everyone vaccinated was out of line and that opinion has gotten stronger. Especially after knowing that vaccination doesn't affects transmission as much as they hoped, I expected them to focus much more heavily on the at-risk groups, but that didn't happen.

The worst part about all of this though is the obstinate denial my cardiologists had of any possible relation between my Pfizer shot and the pericarditis. They'd point to the fact that young men can develop myopericarditis without vaccination. This is true, though it's almost always the result of an infection, and in my region of the world the vast majority of these cases result from flu infections. However, when I had my diagnosis there were barely any flu cases in the country, it just wasn't the season, and most of all I wasn't ill. Pointing to the close proximity to the vaccination was met with immediate and absolute denial.

I think that's what bothered me most: I did my part, I tried to protect society by getting a shot, but when confronted with negative fall-out I had to fight for a diagnosis and was pretty much laughed out of the room for suggesting a relation to the booster. I don't think I've processed this yet. It really feels like I did everything I was told, giving up much of my hobbies, social life etc., but when my health was on the line... "Ho pal, can't be saying anything that could be contorted into criticism of vaccination".

Little of it seemed "fair".

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#196

Cool, now what's the incidence of Myocarditis and similar after COVID-19 infection? It's possible that such a vaccine causes a number of such cases, and still prevents a much larger number of them. In fact it also seems to be true in this case. Discussing the vaccines out of this context, is scaremongering. You're much better off taking your chances with the COVID-19 vaccine than taking your chances unvaccinated. htt…

The data is very unclear on this. Sure you found sources that back your claim, but plenty of replies with sources that say the contrary (From reputable sources). So in the meantime, given the conflicting nature of all the reports, mandating vaccines should NOT be a thing.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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One mouse study found that vaccine injection without aspiration did significantly increase the risk of adverse cardiac events such as myocarditis. That research hasn't been reproduced in humans but this area deserves further investigation. As per CDC guidelines, US healthcare providers don't routinely aspirate prior to intramuscular injection. https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/ciab941 https://doi.org/10.1007/s43440-022-003…

aspiration here means?

It means after inserting the needle you draw back on the plunger to see if any blood is drawn into the syringe. If so it means you hit a vein and should reposition the needle because the shot is meant to go into the muscle rather than directly into a vein.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#198

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

> The one thing that angers me is that this incident cost us $10K. Obamacare, which was forced upon us and costs us $2,400 PER MONTH, did not cover it. We have no recourse whatsoever for this incident and any future care requirements. Seriously? That's shitty. What's the insurance company's rationale for denying the claim? Isn't there some kind of government fund to compensate people for vaccine side effects? Seems l…

> What's the insurance company's rationale for denying the claim?

They didn't, if the parent poster only got billed $10k. Two weeks in the hospital costs more than $10k; that amount is likely their insurance plan's annual deductible, coinsurance, and copays.

These expenses were a thing pre-ACA, to be clear; deductibles, coinsurance, and copays existed before it. The ACA capped the amount you can be charged.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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There's plenty of would-do-it-again testimonials from a hospital bed caused by a vaccine injury/side effect. There's a famous Mark Twain quote that comes to mind.

Making the statistically best choice is still the best choice even if you get an undesired outcome.

Good poker players can lose all their chips at the table to an unlucky draw and walk away knowing that they made the right play and that they'd do it again, even if they got unlucky on the river card. Good basketball coaches will still draw up plays to get the ball into the hands of their best shooter at the end of the game even if they miss sometimes.

If you're choosing between option A that has a 0.0001% chance of hurting you and option B that has a 10% chance of hurting you, and you choose A and still get hurt, that doesn't mean you made the wrong choice or that if you have it to do over again you should choose B.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

#200

I think that all this COVID stuff was everything opposite than using science, starting from the people, including government, taking of "trusting science". Science is not a religion, and we don't have to believe in it. Instead we need to be critic, conduct experiments, evaluate our thesis, put everything into discussion. Something we didn't, because you are a fool if you have doubts about vaccines, if you talk about…

> I had serious side effects, I was basically not feeling well for a week

Would you care to elaborate? I had really bad brain fog.

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