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Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by spfzero »

hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

It also seems like, in the absence of assurance of long-term safety, you would recommend the vaccine for at-risk groups only. It's known now that the risk to young people (under 19) is minimal: IFR < 3/1,000,000. And that was during the much more dangerous early strain of Covid-19, not the ones circulating now. Yet here we are in 2022 with a recommendation from the CDC to vaccinate ages 5 and up, regardless of health condition.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #75
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

Isn't he risk of myocarditis actually higher if you get infected with covid compared with getting a covid vaccine? https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...

That is such a biased study. They aren't comparing Covid postive + no vaccine with covid negative + vaccine. If that was the comparison 1st group fares better as they did not find any covid positive + non vaccinated being diagnosed with myocarditis.

Also their dataset had 13% covid positive rate. So ideally we should multiply the non vaccinated risk by 13%.

[0] https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA....

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by warning26 »

loeg wrote: post #95

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Well you see, my [insert relative] had [bad thing happen] thus proving that [antivax talking point].

I've summarized every comment in this thread to save you some time for your busy monday morning.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by chedca21 »

yonaguska wrote: post #55
origin_path wrote: post #5

I'm very skeptical about their numbers. Some time in 2021 there was a story about COVID vaccines and heart issues here on HN. The comments filled up with people saying that ever since they'd got their shots they were experiencing new heart-related symptoms they'd never had previously like permanently racing heartbeats, palpitations/fluttering, inability to do exercise and more. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to re-fi…

I wish I could find it, but google is insistent on working against me here, but I remember reading from one of Pfizer's data dumps that children in the vaccinated group of their studies were at an increased risk of other respiratory infections compared to the control group. Anecdotally, some, not all, but some of my triple vaccinated friends are getting sick constantly and they've said that every time they catch covi…

Pfizer's clinical trial showed 95% efficacy as a "relative risk reduction" when researchers checked the clinical trial data (which FDA wanted to withhold for 55 years but a Texas judge ordered its release) , for the actual risk reduction it was shown to be a negative value. Here is one resource on the subject https://www.pandata.org/understanding-relative-risk-reductio... I tried to find a better reference but can not find the exact one I'm looking for which came from a Canadian university (ryerson I believe)

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Post by MarcoZavala »

robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

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Post by alerighi »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #75
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

Isn't he risk of myocarditis actually higher if you get infected with covid compared with getting a covid vaccine? https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...

Except you can get infected even if you get the vaccine. In fact it seems to me that people got it despite the fact that they were vaccinated or not, without a particular logic.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by generalizations »

no_butterscotch wrote: post #129
loeg wrote: post #95

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> This thread is, predictably, a complete shit show. Flag and move on. Is there a way to counter-flag? People who are passionate about discussing some topic may get heated but I don't think that's a good reason for a Reddit-style "thread locked by mods".

You can 'vouch' for the thread (or a comment), but only after it's been marked as flagged. Personally I think that's unbalanced, since flags accumulate for a longer and more visible period than when a thread can be vouched for.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by throwaway09223 »

thrwy_918 wrote: post #62
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

> Obamacare, which was forced upon us and costs us $2,400 PER MONTH, did not cover it Can you expand on this please? I find it extremely hard to understand how an ACA-compliant health care plan could "not cover" a hospital stay for myocarditis. Unless you're on a high-deductible plan and the entire stay was less than your deductible?

A two week hospital stay is orders of magnitude more than $10k, so presumably the $10k representes the out of pocket portion of the care.

I suspect the maximum annual out of pocket.

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