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How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?

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Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?

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More and more senior engineers are non-coding or practically so. I see it everywhere. As industries have matured, people have matured into higher level management roles and there hasn't been enough people to replace them. There's still plenty of fresh blood, software engineering actually looks a lot like the labor shortages do in the rest of the market—there's a lack of people who actually want to do the work. Everyo…

Not for nothing, but that sounds a bit like a market peak if I've heard one. Why would the person actually doing the work settle for a mere 300k when the director/VP gets double without doing the hard work? there is a balance here - but it seems like a good time to lure engineers with real equity compensation to early stage startups.

Because managing people is the hard work, but it's not the grunt work. It can be emotionally exhausting.

It is much easier to teach someone how to code than to teach them how to manage. Management is two parts: (1) making sure people produce a good product for a little expenditures as possible, and (2) manage liability from employees. Particularly now, the second part is very difficult to teach.

Most people do not have great judgement when it comes to managing people and it's a really hard skill to teach. You can make someone watch training videos all day that tell them explicitly what NOT to do and they will still do exactly that. Everyone wants to believe they are good at management—very few people actually are. Most fail upwards into it.

Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?

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You can't perfectly judge someone in an interview context, but you can get pretty good if you ask the right questions with the right structure. Where I work the final round interview we give the candidates a week to write a design doc for a recent project they have worked on and present it to us in a 45 minute meeting. We deep dive on their impact, the decisions they made, the tradeoffs etc. It has been an extremely…

That process would be biased to those with experience and enough rank to be able to make decisions. It would miss those who are capable but who haven't gotten the chance. There are many, many people who haven't gotten the chance and a diminishing market of those with experience. How would an interview process identify the capable but not experienced? It's infinitely hard. I mean, you take the same group of people and…

You scope the deliverable to the level of the person you’re hiring, but at the end of the day I do want to hire people who have actually really done something, not just people with the potential to do something. There is nothing wrong with that and nearly every other job role and industry works within those constraints. Jr devs with no formal decision making authority have done well in our process, the bad ones do really poorly.

My personal experience has been that this format 1) gives the engineer “home field advantage” by allowing them to go deep on a project they should know a lot about and hopefully show off a bit and be confident 2) allows us to really press on how deep the engineer actually understands the tools they use and what they do/did 3) allows us to understand if the candidate is a leader/get shit done orientation person or a passenger on projects 4) allows us to see how polished their technical writing is

Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?

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That's 130,000-150,000 annually if you clock 40 hours 5 days a week, not hourly. I don't know in what universe you think $150 per hour is low, I've never seen anything near that rate. Maybe for highly specialized work but not any general purpose development.

cost of living in US metros is extremely high. and you need to pay for the cost of being self employed.

150k is still a great wage in most major US metros. The bay is expensive, but this is still a top-10% compensation package compared to the general population.

Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?

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Actually it's the opposite. I am done with dapps and blockchain development and just looking for fullstack (preferring only backend when possible) typescript/golang positions. I am getting a good amount of recruiters contacting me for blockchain related positions but every single time I speak with them their projects are so ridiculously stupid I am flabbergasted that they got investors. "Normal web dev" recruiters? J…

How do you feel your blockchain/etc history is impacting potential recruiters?

Neutral

Recruiters for blockchain companies contact me but I said I don't want to work with that technology anymore, recruiters for standard web dev roles understand dapp development as standard web app development

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Amazon is not part of FAANG

F - Facebook A - Apple A - Amazon N - Netflix G - Google Source: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/faang-stocks.asp

No that's Albertsons

Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?

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That’s my belief as well but there are managers out there that think staff engineers should never write code. It boggles my mind they think this way but many do.

Writing code means that your impact can be directly measured. Others can see quality, volume, and impact. If you stop writing code then you can't be measured. If your impact is measured by others, and you aren't bound by a team... then you can just float to where the wind is blowing. It's comparatively easy to surf in this manner.

I agree and know all this and argue it weekly, trust me. Bad management doesn’t care.

Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?

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Founder here. This piece took my team and I months to research and tag and write. We spent hours counting individual layoffs in spreadsheets and on LinkedIn and running and rerunning the numbers. And the conclusion wasn't even what I wanted. When I started writing, I really thought that the layoffs were overblown and weren't affecting engineers. That's not what's happening at all. Now, you're right, why do we put eff…

Right on. The comment you replied to is a perfect example of the zero-effort, knee-jerk, dismissive comments that are such a tired trope of this site. PS: Had a great time giving my second peer practice interview on your platform this morning. Love the product and the insights you provide in articles like this one!

just saw this. thank you. that means a lot.

Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?

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Genuine question: what does FANGish mean?

Resembling FANG: large, high-paying consumer tech co. My guess is it could be Twitter, Uber, Airbnb, something like that.

Makes sense, thank you!

Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?

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HN is a bubble -- and we're all in it by definition :)

I also exist outside this bubble and in many other bubbles. Of all places, HN isn’t a place where I’d assume I know a given readers social circle.

Sure, there are many different people on HN.

But my point was that like or not, HN is also a bubble.

If you hang out on HN, you most likely think that technology is fantastic. The only reason we don't think we're in a bubble is because, we're so stuck in the bubble that we can't believe someone wouldn't think that technology is amazing.

(okay, maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, but HN is still a bubble)

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