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How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?
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Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?
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A lot of development jobs can be simplified into a web endpoint that hits a database. So that seems like a completely fair project to have students work on in an applied course. Also, universities do offer courses in cloud computing. I was helping our interns with their cloud computing courses back in like 2016, so it's not a recent addition either.
> A lot of development jobs can be simplified into a web endpoint that hits a database. This doesn't ring right. It might (maybe) be educational to do this, but I'd say that any "development job" that is about software development is not trivial like you say. An "endpoint-to-database" job doesn't exist [1] - I think you're making a simplification here and the real argument is if its educational. [1] find a job descri…
> An "endpoint-to-database" job doesn't exist [1]
This was my entire career pre-phd, and it was a pretty excellent career. Oh how the times change.
Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?
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Imports are neutral in their impact on GDP (it is domestic product after all). Imports are included in investment/consumption/govt spending, then subtracted back out: net zero. So imports rising definitely was not the cause of decreased GDP.
I'm glad you're confident, but you're wrong. Net exports is a component of GDP and it's exports minus imports. IDK where you got the idea you did. > (it is domestic product after all) Yeah, so buying more from overseas than you sell overseas is a net drag on the economy. EDIT: Like here's the release, check it out for yourself. The tables start on page 11. https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2022-09/gdp2q22_3rd..…
GDP isn't a measure of "net drag". It is a measure of "domestic production". Imports might be relevant to some other measure of economic health, but they are irrelevant to the total value of domestic production. You want to ignore or exclude them when calculating GDP.
But they are hard to exclude, because they get commingled with spending/consumption/investment. So what do you do? Leave them there, but then subtract total imports. They are counted positively, and negatively, so they have no net impact. Think it through and it should make sense.
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>EDIT2: And, just to cut you off at the pass, here's the archive from 2019 with the same exact text: https://web.archive.org/web/20190831041001/https://www.bea.g ... Why did we have a recession in 2000 if that's the rule then? Does 2020 not count since it was 4 months? And what's your comment on the fact that this is the first 'recession' where the impact can be largely explained by net exports? Maybe the narrative c…
I think you're making this more difficult than it is. 1. Different people have different definitions of recession. Two quarters is probably the most widely used and known one, so it's perfectly valid to use, but not everyone may agree so you can see differences. 2. People have ulterior motives for calling a recession. Even the same dishonest person will use different definitions at different times according to who ca…
>I think you're making this more difficult than it is.
I think you're missing the entire point
Whether or not the US is in recession is a very complex decision that is usually easy to make because most of the metrics move in the same direction.
A lot of people (you included) are still living in that world despite the fact that all the metrics are extremely weird right now (pandemic, etc.)
The fact that no one is talking about the weirdness is a major problem.
And you know who will talk about the weirdness? NBER.
Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?
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This is a flimsy PR piece for interviewing.io submitted by the founder. It worked, front page of HN is great for backlink value
Founder here. This piece took my team and I months to research and tag and write. We spent hours counting individual layoffs in spreadsheets and on LinkedIn and running and rerunning the numbers. And the conclusion wasn't even what I wanted. When I started writing, I really thought that the layoffs were overblown and weren't affecting engineers. That's not what's happening at all. Now, you're right, why do we put eff…
Right on. The comment you replied to is a perfect example of the zero-effort, knee-jerk, dismissive comments that are such a tired trope of this site.
PS: Had a great time giving my second peer practice interview on your platform this morning. Love the product and the insights you provide in articles like this one!
Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?
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I think you're making this more difficult than it is. 1. Different people have different definitions of recession. Two quarters is probably the most widely used and known one, so it's perfectly valid to use, but not everyone may agree so you can see differences. 2. People have ulterior motives for calling a recession. Even the same dishonest person will use different definitions at different times according to who ca…
>I think you're making this more difficult than it is. I think you're missing the entire point Whether or not the US is in recession is a very complex decision that is usually easy to make because most of the metrics move in the same direction. A lot of people (you included) are still living in that world despite the fact that all the metrics are extremely weird right now (pandemic, etc.) The fact that no one is talk…
I'm not missing the point, you are missing mine.
> Whether or not the US is in recession is a very complex decision
No, whether or not some government department proclaims the US to be in a recession is based on that "very complex decision". That does not make the other more widely used and known definition of the word wrong or less valid.
"The US is in a recession". Perfectly valid and reasonable statement and any economist and most people vaguely interested in economics and politics will know exactly what is meant if they heard that today.
Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?
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I'm glad you're confident, but you're wrong. Net exports is a component of GDP and it's exports minus imports. IDK where you got the idea you did. > (it is domestic product after all) Yeah, so buying more from overseas than you sell overseas is a net drag on the economy. EDIT: Like here's the release, check it out for yourself. The tables start on page 11. https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2022-09/gdp2q22_3rd..…
GDP isn't a measure of "net drag". It is a measure of "domestic production". Imports might be relevant to some other measure of economic health, but they are irrelevant to the total value of domestic production. You want to ignore or exclude them when calculating GDP. But they are hard to exclude, because they get commingled with spending/consumption/investment. So what do you do? Leave them there, but then subtract…
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Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm glad you're confident, but you're wrong. Net exports is a component of GDP and it's exports minus imports. IDK where you got the idea you did. > (it is domestic product after all) Yeah, so buying more from overseas than you sell overseas is a net drag on the economy. EDIT: Like here's the release, check it out for yourself. The tables start on page 11. https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2022-09/gdp2q22_3rd..…
GDP isn't a measure of "net drag". It is a measure of "domestic production". Imports might be relevant to some other measure of economic health, but they are irrelevant to the total value of domestic production. You want to ignore or exclude them when calculating GDP. But they are hard to exclude, because they get commingled with spending/consumption/investment. So what do you do? Leave them there, but then subtract…
Ok so now I get your convoluted point, but then great let's exclude net exports, the other categories like PCE etc. haven't declined?
EDIT: I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here because I like where you're headed (ignoring the timing effect that would make GDP useless under your framework), I really do, but let me chew on this. Because it is interesting, though it does completely ignore FDI (which is how imports are paid for)
Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?
#229We (large FANGish) are more or less in a hiring freeze but still grabbing a few new hires here and there. A friend just interviewed for SSE at AAPL and seemed to have the job only to be told they closed the req. I'm still getting lots of recruiter spam though so I think we're still fairly early in any sort of layoff cycle. The economy is still trucking. Despite many people trying to be first to declare it, we're not…
I'm seeing a massive uptick in recruiting for contract roles compared to a year ago though. A year ago (and even, 3-4 months ago) it was all full time positions nearly exclusively, now it's all heavily weighted toward contract Lots of "18+ month" or "long term" contract verbiage, but contract none the less. Definitely a shift. Seeing more contract to hire too
I really like contract to hire, both from the employee and the employer perspective. You have a nice honeymoon period and if it works then great and if not no hard feelings.
Re: How much have tech layoffs affected engineers vs. other departments?
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Totally genuine question as someone coming from a background in mechanical engineering, who now does a lot of software-y things: what do you consider to be "first principles" in computing? Are you talking about first principles in terms of project development processes (i.e how information systems evolve) or code (i.e. bits and bytes, where microservices might not be the answer because the network connections are gua…
Not the parent but I will offer you my opinion after I laughed at their comment because it reminded me of many of the engineers at my current work: "First principles" in this context is not just reaching for the nearest/newest AWS service that seems to do what you want. ie. if you want a webserver, don't just run magic lambdas that abstract everything away from you, go and provision a vps and install your dependencie…
This is basically the same definition I have.
First principles to me is the basic foundations of an idea.
Abstractions are used but; any given abstraction is not owned by a single vendor and are based on agreed upon standardised abstractions as they relate to to operating systems and databases etc.