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Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth
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#132Medicine and psychiatry often seem to be at the center of these regimes. Is there sometihng about doctors and ideology that goes so closely together? Maybe it's the pretext the regimes to suspend rules and rationality. German doctors began a "euthenasia" program several years before the war broke out, and no governing body of theirs seems to have historically been above using prisoners for medical experiments. Even r…
You're onto something - the roots of totalitarian-authoritarian desire can be traced back to the impulse to be free of the "disease and infection of others".
https://phys.org/news/2021-09-infectious-disease-linked-auth...
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
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Except that people undergoing these surgeries do so willingly, face massive barriers to ensure they are thinking clearly and understand the consequences, show minimal regret rates, often have to undergo extensive psychological counseling beforehand, etc... Except for everything it's exactly the same.
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From number 3:
> increased time since last gender-affirming surgery was associated with reduced mental health treatment (adjusted odds ratio=0.92, 95% CI=0.87, 0.98).
> In this first total population study of transgender individuals with a gender incongruence diagnosis, the longitudinal association between gender-affirming surgery and reduced likelihood of mental health treatment lends support to the decision to provide gender-affirming surgeries to transgender individuals who seek them.
Okay seems to agree that gender affirming surgery is a good thing, thanks for agreeing.
[edited because I mistook which of your sources is which]
Number 4 is behind a paywall so I can't really comment. But to be honest I doubt that their methodology is valid, and the summary includes no statistics so it's likely the conclusion is overblown
With regards to money: this is true of every major health issue in our society, as long as capitalism is at all involved in our health care system there will always be this incentive and we should aim to minimize it. Can you provide some evidence that there is more corruption in gender health care than in other health care?
And with regard to Littman, you can't honestly expect me to take the founder of the "rapid onset gender dysphoria" nonsense seriously? She and her "research" methods have been so thoroughly discredited I don't think that even warrants a response. If there's a reputable figure who has similar concerns, this would maybe cast some doubt on more common detrans statistics
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was going to say the Catholic Church often seems to be at the center of these regimes, but I guess we all see things through our own lens.
Do you have rationale supporting the hand of the Church in fascist regimes? The Catholic Church expressed its rejection of fascism via the strongest possible channel: an encyclic written by Pius XI in 1937, _Mit Brennender Sorge_, was read during the Sunday mass in all churches of Germany although the Nazis were already repressing opponents. Even more: according to statistical studies, out of many socioeconomic varia…
Germany had issues with Catholics long before III Reich. Check the Kulturkampf under Bismarck - it had a stong national element, as Catholicism was tied to Poles, and Poles and their interest in Silesia weren't exactly liked by German authoroties.
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Please don't take HN threads into generic ideological flamewar. It's hellish, tedious, and off topic here. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Sorry dang, I did mean it more as a curiousity towards fascist Spain but i digressed into lamenting the book and communists.
I'll try to be more impartial/ less emotive in the future.
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Do you have rationale supporting the hand of the Church in fascist regimes? The Catholic Church expressed its rejection of fascism via the strongest possible channel: an encyclic written by Pius XI in 1937, _Mit Brennender Sorge_, was read during the Sunday mass in all churches of Germany although the Nazis were already repressing opponents. Even more: according to statistical studies, out of many socioeconomic varia…
Regardless of what the encyclic said, the truth is that in Spain the Church closely colaborated with the fascist Franco regime, to the point that in many practical respects they were one and the same. There is ample evidence that you can find with some obvious Googling, but I think this image is a good visual summary: https://www.gettyimages.es/detail/fotografía-de-noticias/gen... This is how the Catholic Church trea…
You also has Ustasě in Croatia and Josef Tiso in Slovakia.
On the other hand - although Catholic higher-ups were generally spared, not the same could be said about other priests in Poland (like Kolbe) . During 2 WW, it's hard to treat Catholicism as a one religion, because it was very important to put it into national-ideological context of the country. Most often church was supporting more conservative, right-leaning groups, as a contra to socialist, who were much more anticlerical then.
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And similarly in Australia. The more appropriate description is taken by STATE. These and more issues come from state bureaucracies irrespective of any other trappings. Otherwise decent people will do terrible things when given a bureaucratic goal, just to achieve said goal, and then will say they were only doing their job or following orders.
Where’s “state” usually means the church, with state’s approval.
So the state? Again you are conflating to diminish how responsible state bureaucracies actually are.
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Except that people undergoing these surgeries do so willingly, face massive barriers to ensure they are thinking clearly and understand the consequences, show minimal regret rates, often have to undergo extensive psychological counseling beforehand, etc... Except for everything it's exactly the same.
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Also this is a source from 2021 estimating the regret rate for gender affirming surgery is ~1% https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/
From 2021 (more recent than 2018 as your #4 source) and not paywalled
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There's bad doctors, just like there are bad people in every profession. How many software engineers does it take to make a dystopian spy state or spy company? You probably need many more than you would need doctors for unethical experiments. What's wrong with software engineers that they would knowingly do such a thing? I suspect the motivations for wanting to push the technological limits in advertising or spying a…
No. It's not "just like". People with Cluster B personality disorders, especially the ones at the end of the spectrum with ASPD/psychopathy crave power over others. They enjoy looking into the eyes of someone while life fades away, or seeing the tears come out due to powerlessness and suffering. They like, crave direct contact. It is VERY different to cause suffering in a dispassionate way through software and hear a…
Do you have any research about other Cluster B personalities that "enjoy looking into the eyes of someone while life fades away, or seeing the tears come out due to powerlessness and suffering" ? Or you just want to write about APD, but want to add some science-based words?
Also, the "APD-prone" positions are often higher management. Which are causing every possible type of pain, from 1 to 1, to massive downsizing on the other part of the world, but more of the second type - one would assume they would choose something closer to victims, if their only motive is causing pain. There is also their tendency for risk-taking and ease with making "hard decisions (due to lack of empathy and mentioned tendency for risk-taking), which also explains such high positions in companies.
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>I feel like a lot of Spain's history (note, I am casual observer) mentions "fascist"
That's because the same guy, Franco, the dictator, stayed in power the whole time. He wasn't fascist one year and something else the other one, and the fascist history of Spain was when Franco was in power.