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Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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Post by dang »

Eleison23 wrote: post #20
yazzku wrote: post #17

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You obviously don't know history, unless 'lightweight persecution' includes torture in your dictionary. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Tomas-de-Torquemada

Ah, Encyclopedia Britannica - the British Empire, having established the Anglican ecclesial community in defiance of Rome, mortal ancient enemies of the Spanish Empire. I'm sure they have no motive to embellish black legends about the Romish Church and English Catholics like St. Thomas More and William Shakespeare were perfectly safe to practice their faith and attend Popish Masses and priests never needed to hide fr…

Please don't take HN threads further into religious flamewar. We ban accounts that do that. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33005581 for more.

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Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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absolutelynobo wrote: post #98
Ligma123 wrote: post #92

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Except that is not the case where many people who now wish to "detransition" claim neither them or their parents got a good explanation of the consequences of such surgical procedures or the medicine they'd be prescribed, from medical doctors, who guess what, are in it for the money.

“Many people” being substantially in the minority, like 1-5% of an already microscopic population. Non-surgical puberty blockers are completely reversible and do not sterilize. Please don’t spread irrelevant, hateful flamewar bait and FUD in random threads as a way to Cunningham yourself out of ignorance.

> Non-surgical puberty blockers are completely reversible and do not sterilize.

This is also an ideological stance.

Please see https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2022.2... for an evidence-based review that contests this.

Edit: I'm not permitted to reply to the comment below, but I would like to point out that it's a rather shallow dismissal of a well-researched paper. I would recommend actually reading the whole paper, at the very least to challenge one's preconceptions on this issue. Personally, I find such challenge to be an intellectually stimulating experience.

Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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drekipus wrote: post #58

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Please don't take HN threads into generic ideological flamewar. It's hellish, tedious, and off topic here.

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Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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Post by dang »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #104
drekipus wrote: post #58

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Please don't take HN threads further into generic ideological flamewar. It's hellish, tedious, and off topic here.

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lightweightbaby wrote: post #73
drekipus wrote: post #58

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>note, I am casual observer No need for the clarification, it's easy to tell.

Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes everything worse.

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Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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goldorak wrote: post #88
drekipus wrote: post #58

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Please don't take HN threads further into generic ideological flamewar. It's hellish, tedious, and off topic here.

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Post by dang »

wyager wrote: post #28
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #26

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I was going to say the Catholic Church often seems to be at the center of these regimes, but I guess we all see things through our own lens.

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We've asked you many times before to stop taking HN threads further into flamewar. This was a doozy—snarkily veering straight into religious Nazi flamewar, which is close to pure internet hell.

Please don't do this on HN. It's nasty, repetitive, and off topic.

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Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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oilslick wrote: post #112
absolutelynobo wrote: post #98

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“Many people” being substantially in the minority, like 1-5% of an already microscopic population. Non-surgical puberty blockers are completely reversible and do not sterilize. Please don’t spread irrelevant, hateful flamewar bait and FUD in random threads as a way to Cunningham yourself out of ignorance.

> Non-surgical puberty blockers are completely reversible and do not sterilize. This is also an ideological stance. Please see https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2022.2... for an evidence-based review that contests this. Edit: I'm not permitted to reply to the comment below, but I would like to point out that it's a rather shallow dismissal of a well-researched paper. I would recommend actually rea…

The blockers themselves are reversible. The treatments that may follow are not necessarily reversible.

Do you really expect to simply point at a single-author paper that came out last week to “win” this discussion? Why the hour-old account focused purely on promoting trans hate?

Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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Post by trhway »

dang wrote: post #108
trhway wrote: post #63

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>This is fake It is kind of hard to "assume the best" in case of your comment, ie. that you are supposedly just not aware what i'm talking about given that the info is just one google search away. Anyway, given the very familiar style, impeccable logical consistency and convincing strength of that an argument of yours i suppose that you're a Russian and thus can read this for example (i just don't have nor time nor d…

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. We've had to ask you this many times. Attacking another user for their ethnicity is going to get you banned here, regardless of who you have a problem with. I realize that people feel strongly in a war but you can't do that here, so please don't do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You're serious? The guy brings in the trolling from Russian propaganda forums- you should see the trash they spread there - the Russian here isn't ethnicity, it is the country Russia which has many ethnicities - and you let him just do it.

I'm not attacking him for ethnicity - i'm pointing that it is pretty obvious that he is a Russian troll. Do you really think that his comment isn't in a gross violation of all the rules, and such comment requires an answer with specific facts/references i gave? You're really on the wrong side here.

>We've had to ask you this many times

sorry, i don't remember those many times.

In this specific case what do you see as a "flamewar" on my side? Do you see any fake facts or lying? Qualification of cultural genocide as what being committed by Russia isn't just my words here - it follows definition, just google it.

Whereis the guy clearly lied without any possible factual backing when he made that statement of "fake". That is one of the main points and tools of Russian propaganda, and you just let it here. That propaganda right now is a weapon used by Russia together with other weapons in that war.

His "fake" to the cultural genocide being performed by Russia is no different than a "fake" in response to Armenian genocide or Holocaust. How can you let it here?

If one says that Turks committed Armenian genocide or Germans - Holocaust would it be attacking Turks or Germans on their ethnicity? How is that different when applied to Russians?

I'm reposting my comment. Feel free to ban me.

Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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Post by absolutelynobo »

EntropyIsAHoax wrote: post #107
Ligma123 wrote: post #92

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Except that is not the case where many people who now wish to "detransition" claim neither them or their parents got a good explanation of the consequences of such surgical procedures or the medicine they'd be prescribed, from medical doctors, who guess what, are in it for the money.

It is hard to find good numbers on detrans minors, simply because there are so few minors who transition in the first place. But here's one study showing that the regret rate for gender affirming surgery in general is ~1% https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/ Detransitioners get so much media attention simply because it's good transphobia fodder. All there is to substantiate these claims is anecdotal…

But it’s so easy to portray doctors as money-hungry child predators! After all, doesn’t Beautiful Perfect American Capitalism encourage individuals to participate in the market, if not live their lives, as ruthless profit-seekers?

Aren’t politically and socially conservative, evangelical-proximal, moderately wealthy Tucker-Carlson-consuming Americans constantly re-trained into that frame of mind?

Is it so surprising that people see what they want to see, or expect to see, or have been taught to see, in everything around them?

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