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Result of 500 year old Elizabethan propaganda. Actual historical records show that Inquisition persecution was SO lightweight and tolerant that even ordinary criminals tried to get themselves reclassified as religious offenders to be able to get off lightly.
You obviously don't know history, unless 'lightweight persecution' includes torture in your dictionary. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Tomas-de-Torquemada
The Inquisition had rules around torture. The secular authorities did not.
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I was going to say the Catholic Church often seems to be at the center of these regimes, but I guess we all see things through our own lens.
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The pope may not have been, but several german priests such as Herman Muckermann certainly gave german Catholics a way to support eugenics and race theories.
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#35Medicine and psychiatry often seem to be at the center of these regimes. Is there sometihng about doctors and ideology that goes so closely together? Maybe it's the pretext the regimes to suspend rules and rationality. German doctors began a "euthenasia" program several years before the war broke out, and no governing body of theirs seems to have historically been above using prisoners for medical experiments. Even r…
I don't feel there is anything "fundamentally wrong with many of them", but the role medicine plays in our lives makes it susceptible to exploitation by both messianic and psychopathic personalities.
As a counter-example of medicine going hand-in-hand with despotism, there's Stalin's Doctors Plot, though there was a a lot of antisemitism there as well.
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#36Medicine and psychiatry often seem to be at the center of these regimes. Is there sometihng about doctors and ideology that goes so closely together? Maybe it's the pretext the regimes to suspend rules and rationality. German doctors began a "euthenasia" program several years before the war broke out, and no governing body of theirs seems to have historically been above using prisoners for medical experiments. Even r…
Medicine? It's racism and classism. People with racist views can become medical drs and other racists can become powerful heads of state to order genocide.
What became Germany's eugenics program began in the United States and it was blatantly racist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Sterilization_Act_of_...
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#37This doesn't seem drastically different than what was openly happening to Native Americans in the US until the passage of the Indian Child Welfare Act in 1978. By some estimates, as many as 3/4ths of Native American children were taken from their families for adoption or foster care.
And that's assuming the law stopped the practice, some states still see many Native American children shipped to non-Native communities to get federal welfare money.
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I was going to say the Catholic Church often seems to be at the center of these regimes, but I guess we all see things through our own lens.
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I don't think "not as bad as Hitler" is a bar one should be aiming for. I was specifically referring to the Catholic Church's penchant for treating unmarried mothers and poor children like trash.
Like in Ireland: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/9-000-children-died-irish...
And in Britain and Australia: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/03/catholic-chu...
And in Canada: https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20220728-canada-says-po...
I was too tired and angry to search further.
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#40Reminds me of the Yemenite stolen babies. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2016-07-31/ty-article/hu...
It’s also happened fairly recently with US adoptions of Cambodian babies: https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kbyeg/cambodian-adoption-fr...
There's also the case of US immigration services separating children from their parents 2016-2020 and not tracking where those children were sent in conjunction with their parents' identity.