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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by sennight »

pb7 wrote: post #261
sennight wrote: post #131

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You know, I bet somebody responded very similarly to a complaint about the first game studio to put loot boxes in their games. Now we are plagued by them. "Don't like it? Well just make your own ____!" is another classic.

Weird, I have never played a game with lootboxes nor have I had to even think about avoiding it. Only supports my point that your fear of it affecting you is unfounded in reality. Except I didn't say make your own, I said pick from the variety of competitors. Who are you to dictate what a third party does, especially when that third party's decisions are well liked by their customers? I don't want the "freedom" to pu…

> Except I didn't say make your own...

No, that is what comes next - after somebody mentions Apple's part in the herpes like spread of chicklet keyboards.

> Who are you to dictate what a third party does...

Who are you to put words in my mouth? I've counseled something other than compulsion, I've suggested that you and apologists like you should be openly mocked for reasons that I can't list - because it would be bullying, run afoul of various codes of conduct, etc.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by smoldesu »

saiya-jin wrote: post #255
smoldesu wrote: post #238

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All parts are 'potentially stolen', that's just a scary thing that John Deere and Apple says to justify their first-party stranglehold on repairs. Louis Rossmann and co. use donor parts for repairs all the time. If they own and can unlock the donor Macbook/iPhone, they should be able to attest that the device is being used for parts/repair and disable the protection. I see no potential for abuse here, and it prevents…

The amount of uncritical comments in any post around apple on HN is usually quite something, I wouldn't get too excited about that. Its mainly US website so that's to be expected. That being said, there are some good points raised here by folks. If you don't like how Apple does things overall, there are mighty fine competitors that provide even more in some areas and are not Chinese, but they do charge premium for th…

The problem is that we should be able to choose, not Apple. Overriding Apple's software choices should not necessitate leaving the ecosystem, period. Especially considering Apple is the largest company in the world, it shouldn't be a problem for them to add a few toggles. We need regulation to hold them accountable for these simple options, but knowing Apple (and how deep in bed they are with the US government) this won't happen.

I agree though, and I've been moving myself away from Apple products since Catalina. The water is now lukewarm, and this little frog doesn't intend to be around when they put the lid on the pot.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by ImprobableTruth »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #127
ImprobableTruth wrote: post #82

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>If regulators instead went after service pricing abuse How would this work in a manner that isn't vastly more invasive than right to repair bills? I can't think of anything similar.

In what sense would it be vastly more invasive than right to repair?

The most obvious option to me seems to be price controls, which historically have been a very blunt instrument and as far as I know, most economists recommend against them.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by mrtksn »

deathanatos wrote: post #270
mrtksn wrote: post #202

> Forget satellite SOS and the larger camera, the headline is this: Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair. I find this line hilarious because it's an example of law of the instrument[0]. iFixit and other activist repair shops treat these devices as if their(the iPhones) purpose is getting a repair and all this talk over they years about iPhone repairability was fro…

> I never in my life purchased a brand new device with intention or plan to repair it. Devices don't last forever. What happens when inevitably, it fails? I don't want to be buying a new iPhone all the time — money still doesn't grow on trees — and even outside of Apple's ridiculously overpriced products, replacing e.g., my entire laptop¹ because a component failed is not enticing. Better if the design permits a $5 r…

Apple devices last forever, it's pretty common to give the old devices to your parents or sell them - the Apple device market is very vibrant because they last. By the time that the device would fail due to wear and tear you probably wouldn't want to use it anyway.

You may remind me about design failures of Apple where the devices would break down but Apple does repair programs or recalls when something like that happens. That's also why we have warranties.

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Post by _V_ »

Veliladon wrote: post #33
millzlane wrote: post #12

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This makes it easier for my technicians when customers lie by omission when they have had their device repaired someplace else and they bring it back to us for repair. It's not until we get into the repair and find out someone has stripped screws that can't be removed without extraction tools and replaced LSI's. It's also nice for consumers who get their devices stolen strictly for parts. Preventing someone from basi…

The other thing is that Apple is trying to make things harder for people with large amounts of resources (think nation states) to exfiltrate data by using pwned components. Like when you take it into a repair shop, how do you know that the replacement part isn't compromised? If I was replacing the front facing FaceID complex I sure as hell would want verifiable Apple gear and it to be paired to the phone. Why would I…

How does disabling TrueTone/autobrightness help your security? Or vibration motor? Or battery? Or rear facing camera?

I can answer for you: these are completely unrelated to security. It is just a middle finger from Apple to anyone wanting to repair their device.

edit: typo

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Post by dang »

incanus77 wrote: post #249
mcguirep wrote: post #137

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This doesn't make any sense to me, considering it's being commented upon literally as you wrote that comment within days of the phones release.

This post was on the HN front page and made it all the way there without comment, mine being the first.

Breaking the silence by posting something unsubstantive is the worst thing you can do. Threads are sensitive to initial conditions. Please don't do that again.

It's quite normal for a thread to get upvoted but not get comments for quite a while. If that means people are reading and digesting the article, that's great. We want reflective comments, not reflexive ones (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...) and those take time.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by dang »

mrtksn wrote: post #202

> Forget satellite SOS and the larger camera, the headline is this: Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair. I find this line hilarious because it's an example of law of the instrument[0]. iFixit and other activist repair shops treat these devices as if their(the iPhones) purpose is getting a repair and all this talk over they years about iPhone repairability was fro…

This comment was originally a reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32899758, but that was a bad comment and I'm going to mark it offtopic and downweight it.

Your comment is fine, so I'm going to detach it so it doesn't get downweighted by proxy.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by _V_ »

georgehm wrote: post #253

Does the iPhone 14 still have the battery glued to the back? Couldn't figure it out from reading the article. I recently replaced the battery on my old iPhone 6s using the ifixit repair kit. Of all the steps I found removing the tape attached to the battery was the flakiest/hardest operation. After many attempts I did remove it but I also ended up cracking the battery a bit :sigh:. Any changes that make the removal o…

They are still gluing it however they use "pull tab" strips. Although they are somethimes PITA to remove, they are not the worst thing.

If you tear one off you can usually use a little bit of IPA to loosen it.

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Post by dang »

aaaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #199
elteto wrote: post #175

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There’s another comment already moving the goalposts: “sure it’s more repairable now but what about the closed software????”.

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If you keep posting unsubstantive comments we are going to have to ban you. We've already asked you multiple times, and you've unfortunately continued to do it a lot.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dvdkon »

mrtksn wrote: post #202

> Forget satellite SOS and the larger camera, the headline is this: Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair. I find this line hilarious because it's an example of law of the instrument[0]. iFixit and other activist repair shops treat these devices as if their(the iPhones) purpose is getting a repair and all this talk over they years about iPhone repairability was fro…

> I never in my life purchased a brand new device with intention or plan to repair it

The last two laptops I bought, repairability was a very high priority. The T440s I had before my current HP Envy x360 I actually bought because I got burned with a cheap Acer, where I couldn't find any replacement touchpads. A less repairable laptop wouldn't have lasted me even two years, since I broke the display around that time.

At first, I wanted to buy a used enterprise laptop, since they often have repair guides available and parts can be found on eBay. However, HP made the repair guide and parts for this "consumer-grade" notebook available officially, which gave me the confidence that this laptop could last me five years or more.

I think people who expect their electronics to last more than the length of a warranty should definitely consider repairability to be a big factor. You don't want to buy a beefy laptop for the next decade, only to have it made useless by a broken keyboard or screen.

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