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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by cromka »

smoldesu wrote: post #207
viktorcode wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. I think one problem is not being discussed enough is iPhones being stolen for parts (since in most cases they can't be reactivated). I strongly suspect inability to simply switch parts without remote authorisation is Apple's way to address the problem.

Okay, let's discuss it then. Why do I need Apple's consent to repair the device I paid for? Why is there no way for me to (even temporarily) disable this feature if I actually want to fix my phone?

> Why is there no way for me to (even temporarily) disable this feature if I actually want to fix my phone?

You want to be able to temporarily disable a feature that Apple introduced to prevent from installing potentially stolen parts in your phone?

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by altairprime »

jorvi wrote: post #211
altairprime wrote: post #159

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It also considerably reduces the ability of nation-state attackers to replace parts with modified hardware without your knowledge, as Apple can detect and terminate misuse of the tool that creates new cryptographic signing keys for the pairing of phone and part. We saw signed-pairing appear with the Touch ID system in response to Apple learning of nation-state attacks on the iPhone that used hardware modifications. T…

> To date, no HN discussion of this crypto-pairing of the phone to its parts has revealed an alternative solution that would be effective at Apple’s scale for preventing phones from being hacked by a parts swap while also allowing any part to be swapped in Random-ass repair shops are not going to expend the effort of putting in fake parts to hack you to.. hack a couple of thousand dollars off of your account and then…

Anyone crossing a border where a nation state takes physical possession of their device is, currently, protected. The US border authorities have a very awful policy of storing data they’ve stolen for up to 15 years, and other US federal authorities have been previously caught using hardware modifications to hack devices. Anyone within 100 miles of a US border is subject to seizure and search under US law, which is approximately one-fifth of the country, including SF tech workers and NYC fintech workers.

These protections apply to considerably more of one country’s populace than would benefit from off-market parts being usable at third-party repair shops. I appreciate Apple’s choice to prioritize in this regard, but I’d still like to see if tech can overcome this barrier without sacrificing that safety.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by [deleted] »

cromka wrote: post #231
smoldesu wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, let's discuss it then. Why do I need Apple's consent to repair the device I paid for? Why is there no way for me to (even temporarily) disable this feature if I actually want to fix my phone?

> Why is there no way for me to (even temporarily) disable this feature if I actually want to fix my phone? You want to be able to temporarily disable a feature that Apple introduced to prevent from installing potentially stolen parts in your phone?

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by eropple »

sennight wrote: post #131
pb7 wrote: post #105

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You are at liberty to buy other products and leave these to those who are happy about the security considerations.

You know, I bet somebody responded very similarly to a complaint about the first game studio to put loot boxes in their games. Now we are plagued by them. "Don't like it? Well just make your own ____!" is another classic.

If you play AAA games or mobile games, sure, you're plagued by them.

I don't play either. The games I do play don't have much in the way of that sort of thing at all. And I think they're more fun games besides.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by mrtksn »

originalvichy wrote: post #227
mrtksn wrote: post #202

> Forget satellite SOS and the larger camera, the headline is this: Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair. I find this line hilarious because it's an example of law of the instrument[0]. iFixit and other activist repair shops treat these devices as if their(the iPhones) purpose is getting a repair and all this talk over they years about iPhone repairability was fro…

iFixIt and others come from an era were smartphones were in the small space between repairable and expensive to replace. Like small laptops. Sure after years of specialization many shops offer quick fixes but it didn’t use to be that way. Sure you will never repair your phone but when and if it needs fixing the more accessible repairs are the better it is for the wallet and quality of work.

I went from Ericsson(GH688, T10) to Alcatel to Nokia to Siemens to iPhone 4s and have been using iPhones since then.

At what point was the timeframe when you threw away your iPhone because was not possible to repair on a high street repair shop? I never had and I don't know anyone who ever had an issue with repairing their iPhone. Was it at the iPhone 3G years?

My last repair was getting the battery and the front glass of my iPhone 6s that I still use as a secondary phone replaced. It cost me about 50$ if I recall correctly.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by babypuncher »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #23

I’m not sure I care much about repairability. For me, makers should have the freedom to design products as they wish. I don’t think that phones and laptops would be as light and portable as iPhones and Macs are if Apple was inhibited by the Right to Repair movement from arranging internal components in such a jampacked way. I also think that makers should have the freedom to design computers whose software tightly in…

The iPhone 14 more or less proves that you can build a device as thin and sleek as Apple and still have it reasonably repairable.

I think the same is true of Macbooks. There is no real reason that the SSD has to be soldered to the motherboard, Apple could easily put the NAND chips on a slim socketed daughterboard (they already do this on the Mac Studio).

I won't say that every laptop needs to be built like the Framework, but I do think that any component that could be considered a "wear item" (batteries, NAND flash, OLED screens) should be designed to be replaced.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by mkagenius »

babypuncher wrote: post #225
anonymouse008 wrote: post #63

Apple Care + is going to become an insane profit center and an absolute no brainer when purchasing a new Apple device. This puts Apple’s recent “no limit to accidental repairs” policy update in perspective. When I saw that I said, “well I guess this is how they are going to use their cash reserves, because no way will this be net profitable” To boot, I always wondered why it was so cheap - $200 for AC+ then $29 per s…

In 13 years of using smartphones, I've needed exactly one out-of-warranty screen repair. And I don't even use a case. Not buying AppleCare+ has definitely saved me money. I can't see how Apple really loses money on this move unless people just start throwing their $1,000 pocket computers on the ground.

Maybe not for iphones, but macbooks have a habit of dying on me. My 10 day old macbook pro's logic board died and the replacement new macbook's palm rest started giving clicking sound within 10 days again. How can i be so unlucky. Apple certainly is overlooking QC with macbooks.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by smoldesu »

cromka wrote: post #231
smoldesu wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, let's discuss it then. Why do I need Apple's consent to repair the device I paid for? Why is there no way for me to (even temporarily) disable this feature if I actually want to fix my phone?

> Why is there no way for me to (even temporarily) disable this feature if I actually want to fix my phone? You want to be able to temporarily disable a feature that Apple introduced to prevent from installing potentially stolen parts in your phone?

All parts are 'potentially stolen', that's just a scary thing that John Deere and Apple says to justify their first-party stranglehold on repairs. Louis Rossmann and co. use donor parts for repairs all the time. If they own and can unlock the donor Macbook/iPhone, they should be able to attest that the device is being used for parts/repair and disable the protection. I see no potential for abuse here, and it prevents more iPhones from becoming landfill. Win/win, since Apple cares about the environment so much!

If I own my device and can enter the password on it, I should be able to decide which software features are enabled and disabled. That shouldn't be a controversial opinion.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by samatman »

shuntress wrote: post #161
unethical_ban wrote: post #85

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I've been thinking about a future where deepfakes/AI are more everyday (which is soon). I can imagine Apple doing some kind of hardware-level signing of camera and video data, so that any image shot by an iPhone/iPad would have a signature declaring that is was not edited by the user in any way. Details on whether RAW or any kind of auto-cleanup could be included. In other words, a chain-of-custody kind of thing so t…

And "Real Apple Hardware" supporting "Real Apple ID" on every device in the network.

Cryptographic signatures can be decoded by anything which has the public key, that's not how this would work at all.
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