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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by jorvi »

buildbot wrote: post #36
Veliladon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other thing is that Apple is trying to make things harder for people with large amounts of resources (think nation states) to exfiltrate data by using pwned components. Like when you take it into a repair shop, how do you know that the replacement part isn't compromised? If I was replacing the front facing FaceID complex I sure as hell would want verifiable Apple gear and it to be paired to the phone. Why would I…

This exactly. To have a more secure device this is one of the trade offs. Can you imagine the articles if you could swap out faceID systems to unlock an encrypted iphone?

I mean.. they could just show a pop-up after required passcode unlock: ‘your iPhone recently had its FaceID/brightness/battery/whatever swapped - do you wish to fully enable the replacement part for this iPhone?’

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by mrtksn »

> Forget satellite SOS and the larger camera, the headline is this: Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair.

I find this line hilarious because it's an example of law of the instrument[0]. iFixit and other activist repair shops treat these devices as if their(the iPhones) purpose is getting a repair and all this talk over they years about iPhone repairability was from that standpoint.

I'm happy that Apple is making the new iPhones easier to repair but I never in my life purchased a brand new device with intention or plan to repair it. Why would anyone try to sell me a device by talking about how easy it is to repair it? What I expect is that it would never need a repair and if it needs a repair the vendor will handle it. Also, iPhones were always the easiest phones to repair because specialists who repair iPhones could be found on every corner. Every repair shop repairs iPhones, so repairing an iPhone was never a real issue but something that repair nerds like to speculate on. It's almost as if the happiest they could have been if Apple shipped the iPhones broken but easy to repair using some cheap generic part.

I had my iPhones replaced, repaired or self services by buying the parts online through the years. It's no accident that iPhones always were best at retaining second hand value.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_instrument

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by tshaddox »

dkonofalski wrote: post #117
layer8 wrote: post #93

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So far, not buying AC+ has had better amortized cost for me.

Until it doesn't. I also gamble with this because I've never damaged my phone ever and I've had an iPhone since the OG. I'm not under any delusion, though, that this streak will last forever. I think I would currently need to damage/replace my phone twice to come out in the negative but that's still a possibility. I've been extremely careful and/or lucky.

It's definitely easy to imagine breaking even if you have the more expensive "AppleCare+ with Theft and Loss" plan where you can replace your phone twice a year for a $149 deductible.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by jorvi »

mrtksn wrote: post #202

> Forget satellite SOS and the larger camera, the headline is this: Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair. I find this line hilarious because it's an example of law of the instrument[0]. iFixit and other activist repair shops treat these devices as if their(the iPhones) purpose is getting a repair and all this talk over they years about iPhone repairability was fro…

> Why would anyone try to sell me a device by talking about how easy it is to repair it?

I guess Framework laptops must have a hidden compartment full of gold, because they keep selling like hotcakes.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by joshmanders »

shuntress wrote: post #152
pb7 wrote: post #105

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You are at liberty to buy other products and leave these to those who are happy about the security considerations.

Sort of. For now. How much higher do the walls need to become before it's no longer reasonable to live outside Apple's garden?

> How much higher do the walls need to become before it's no longer reasonable to live outside Apple's garden?

Do you mean "How much longer do I have to watch people enjoy their cake before I give in and want to eat the cake too?"

I find it pretty absurd that people demand Apple do things differently because their choice of alternative feels the need to follow Apple instead of leading themselves.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by mrtksn »

jorvi wrote: post #204
mrtksn wrote: post #202

> Forget satellite SOS and the larger camera, the headline is this: Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair. I find this line hilarious because it's an example of law of the instrument[0]. iFixit and other activist repair shops treat these devices as if their(the iPhones) purpose is getting a repair and all this talk over they years about iPhone repairability was fro…

> Why would anyone try to sell me a device by talking about how easy it is to repair it? I guess Framework laptops must have a hidden compartment full of gold, because they keep selling like hotcakes.

How many millions of laptops they have sold so far? Are they selling over 10 million a year thanks to the superb repairability?

I like Framework, it's nice concept and if I had a few thousand dollars expandable money I would definitely buy one to fiddle with.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by smoldesu »

viktorcode wrote: post #198
SayMyName wrote: post #8

Odd article considering everything is still software locked to the phone. Sure it's easier to repair, but if you get your parts from anywhere else than apple's program directly, a lot of features will stop working. Hugh Jeffreys made a video interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WhU77ihw8

> interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. I think one problem is not being discussed enough is iPhones being stolen for parts (since in most cases they can't be reactivated). I strongly suspect inability to simply switch parts without remote authorisation is Apple's way to address the problem.

Okay, let's discuss it then. Why do I need Apple's consent to repair the device I paid for? Why is there no way for me to (even temporarily) disable this feature if I actually want to fix my phone?

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by mechanical_bear »

tjoff wrote: post #61
Veliladon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other thing is that Apple is trying to make things harder for people with large amounts of resources (think nation states) to exfiltrate data by using pwned components. Like when you take it into a repair shop, how do you know that the replacement part isn't compromised? If I was replacing the front facing FaceID complex I sure as hell would want verifiable Apple gear and it to be paired to the phone. Why would I…

If you give your phone to an adversary with large amounts of resources it is game over. If you have to worry about that I most certainly would hope that you wouldn't leave your phone to a repair-shop.

Or leave your MacBook at a repair shop with texts and emails to various VIPs, etc on it… oh wait.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by joshmanders »

dkonofalski wrote: post #170
shuntress wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people expect their expensive tools to withstand the rigors of daily use.

Dropping devices on concrete is not "daily use". That's like saying that people should expect cars to be unaffected by randomly crashing into walls.

Not to mention I've dropped mine a LOT. scratched up screen, dings in the sides, everything. (No case/protection at all too) It definitely withstands daily use. Dropping it 4-5 times a day every day however probably slowly chips away at the sturdiness of the device.
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