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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #23

I’m not sure I care much about repairability. For me, makers should have the freedom to design products as they wish. I don’t think that phones and laptops would be as light and portable as iPhones and Macs are if Apple was inhibited by the Right to Repair movement from arranging internal components in such a jampacked way. I also think that makers should have the freedom to design computers whose software tightly in…

Even if that was entirely true, I am fine with regulation leaning on manufacturers to make products that aren't full of soldered ram and storage, glued shut so even their own techs have trouble repairing them, because of the implications for generating mountains of avoidable e-waste. The ability to fix to fix your own gear is just a nice plus of that arrangement, I agree it won't be of use to most people, but it's still a plus.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by chubbnix »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #23

I’m not sure I care much about repairability. For me, makers should have the freedom to design products as they wish. I don’t think that phones and laptops would be as light and portable as iPhones and Macs are if Apple was inhibited by the Right to Repair movement from arranging internal components in such a jampacked way. I also think that makers should have the freedom to design computers whose software tightly in…

I think this is kind of a strange position to take when the article is demonstrating you wouldn’t even notice the increased repairability as a consumer. What tight integrations were lost in Apple’s redesign?

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

#33

Post by Veliladon »

millzlane wrote: post #12
SayMyName wrote: post #8

Odd article considering everything is still software locked to the phone. Sure it's easier to repair, but if you get your parts from anywhere else than apple's program directly, a lot of features will stop working. Hugh Jeffreys made a video interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WhU77ihw8

This makes it easier for my technicians when customers lie by omission when they have had their device repaired someplace else and they bring it back to us for repair. It's not until we get into the repair and find out someone has stripped screws that can't be removed without extraction tools and replaced LSI's. It's also nice for consumers who get their devices stolen strictly for parts. Preventing someone from basi…

The other thing is that Apple is trying to make things harder for people with large amounts of resources (think nation states) to exfiltrate data by using pwned components. Like when you take it into a repair shop, how do you know that the replacement part isn't compromised?

If I was replacing the front facing FaceID complex I sure as hell would want verifiable Apple gear and it to be paired to the phone. Why would I want some random person to be able to put something in my phone's biometric authentication path?

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

#34

Post by minimaul »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #31
rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #23

I’m not sure I care much about repairability. For me, makers should have the freedom to design products as they wish. I don’t think that phones and laptops would be as light and portable as iPhones and Macs are if Apple was inhibited by the Right to Repair movement from arranging internal components in such a jampacked way. I also think that makers should have the freedom to design computers whose software tightly in…

Even if that was entirely true, I am fine with regulation leaning on manufacturers to make products that aren't full of soldered ram and storage, glued shut so even their own techs have trouble repairing them, because of the implications for generating mountains of avoidable e-waste. The ability to fix to fix your own gear is just a nice plus of that arrangement, I agree it won't be of use to most people, but it's st…

Soldered RAM isn’t just to be difficult. It has genuine performance & power consumption advantages for DDR4/DDR5/LPDDR4/LPDDR5.

Storage though, I agree with :)

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by buildbot »

tjoff wrote: post #24
millzlane wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This makes it easier for my technicians when customers lie by omission when they have had their device repaired someplace else and they bring it back to us for repair. It's not until we get into the repair and find out someone has stripped screws that can't be removed without extraction tools and replaced LSI's. It's also nice for consumers who get their devices stolen strictly for parts. Preventing someone from basi…

The first part doesn't require functionality to be disabled though.

Probably a combination of missing calibrations and the software locking. It seems better to fail visibly than to have a device silently phoning home that it is non-genuine.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

#36

Post by buildbot »

Veliladon wrote: post #33
millzlane wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This makes it easier for my technicians when customers lie by omission when they have had their device repaired someplace else and they bring it back to us for repair. It's not until we get into the repair and find out someone has stripped screws that can't be removed without extraction tools and replaced LSI's. It's also nice for consumers who get their devices stolen strictly for parts. Preventing someone from basi…

The other thing is that Apple is trying to make things harder for people with large amounts of resources (think nation states) to exfiltrate data by using pwned components. Like when you take it into a repair shop, how do you know that the replacement part isn't compromised? If I was replacing the front facing FaceID complex I sure as hell would want verifiable Apple gear and it to be paired to the phone. Why would I…

This exactly. To have a more secure device this is one of the trade offs. Can you imagine the articles if you could swap out faceID systems to unlock an encrypted iphone?

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by buildbot »

SayMyName wrote: post #8

Odd article considering everything is still software locked to the phone. Sure it's easier to repair, but if you get your parts from anywhere else than apple's program directly, a lot of features will stop working. Hugh Jeffreys made a video interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WhU77ihw8

Good! I want to know that even a used and repaired iPhone has genuine parts in it

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by lostlogin »

incanus77 wrote: post #19
thepasswordis wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, so there is a way to disable auto brightness! Are there any aftermarket upgrades which will also permanently disable "live photos"?

Settings > Camera > Preserve Settings > Live Photo

OP wants an aftermarket method.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by Bud »

dijit wrote: post #29
jitl wrote: post #9

Apple started offering home repair kits for iPhone this year, but they’re super difficult to use: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/technology/personaltech/a... There’s speculation that offering the kits is an attempt to head off right-to-repair legislation. But seeing this redesign, I wonder to what degree the repair program is incentivizing repairability within apple’s corporate structure. Now that “profit/loss pe…

> but they’re super difficult to use I can't read the link as it's paywalled: but my understanding of the Apple tools is that they're hilariously over-engineered; not that they're hard to use.

"hilariously over-engineered"

read: "not crap"

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by smoldesu »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #23

I’m not sure I care much about repairability. For me, makers should have the freedom to design products as they wish. I don’t think that phones and laptops would be as light and portable as iPhones and Macs are if Apple was inhibited by the Right to Repair movement from arranging internal components in such a jampacked way. I also think that makers should have the freedom to design computers whose software tightly in…

Apple has proven with this iPhone (as have other manufacturers) that these goals don't need to be mutually exclusive. You can have wild products designed in all manner of ways (with satellite connectivity!!!), they just need to be user-servicable. That's not an unreasonable request for a company with 200 billion dollars sitting in their R&D coffers.

Right-to-repair regulation isn't about stifling innovation, it's about giving the consumer leverage in the lifecycle of the product they own. Before now, Apple has gone out of their way to make life as hard as possible on third-party repair shops - that shouldn't be an engineering incentive. Regulation gives us the power to force Apple to put consumers before profit margins, and innovation somewhere in between.

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