Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by joshmanders » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 6:20 PM UTC

dkonofalski wrote: post #193

layer8 wrote: post #191

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It’s exactly my point that everyone has to make their own decision based on their risk profile. It’s far from a clear case that AC+ always makes sense.

Then, in that case, I agree. I just felt like you were downplaying the number of people that actually do benefit from it and would benefit more with the recent change.

I don't know, the amount of people who aren't tech savvy that I know who contact me because they know I'm tech savvy tells me that a lot more "normal people" can find advantages in AC+ than us tech savvy people who take better care of our devices.

I know since meeting my gf who is tech dumb, my device is more beaten up than it ever had been before due to just her using it randomly here and there.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by ornornor » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 6:22 PM UTC

I don’t know. They call it a victory for repair ability but the parts are as paired as they’ve ever been… Even replacing the rear glass triggers a warning and requires activation… That’s hardly repairable if the software is crippled as a result.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by sennight » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 6:25 PM UTC

phpisthebest wrote: post #173

pb7 wrote: post #105

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You are at liberty to buy other products and leave these to those who are happy about the security considerations.

Dont worry I do, the problem is all the other companies play "Follow the Apple" The solution is never just "dont by apple if you do not like it" the solution is highlighting why it is bad, and getting people to pressure companies like Apple to change. Right to Repair is movement, and it is winning. Part of right to repair includes resistance to parts serialization, and/or ensuring that approving new parts that are se…

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by hot_gril » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 6:25 PM UTC

joshmanders wrote: post #220

hot_gril wrote: post #171

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$200 per year plus $30 per repair is still a lot. How often do you smash your phone? Generally insurance is never positive-EV for the buyer unless peace of mind is considered, and to that I say, it's cheaper to find peace with the risk of breaking your phone.

> How often do you smash your phone? So little that the 1 time it could happen in the 2 years of AppleCare makes it pay for itself.

Once every 2 years is kind of a lot.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by babypuncher » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 6:25 PM UTC

anonymouse008 wrote: post #63

Apple Care + is going to become an insane profit center and an absolute no brainer when purchasing a new Apple device. This puts Apple’s recent “no limit to accidental repairs” policy update in perspective. When I saw that I said, “well I guess this is how they are going to use their cash reserves, because no way will this be net profitable” To boot, I always wondered why it was so cheap - $200 for AC+ then $29 per s…

In 13 years of using smartphones, I've needed exactly one out-of-warranty screen repair. And I don't even use a case. Not buying AppleCare+ has definitely saved me money.

I can't see how Apple really loses money on this move unless people just start throwing their $1,000 pocket computers on the ground.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by ornornor » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 6:25 PM UTC

dkonofalski wrote: post #129

smoldesu wrote: post #40

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Apple has proven with this iPhone (as have other manufacturers) that these goals don't need to be mutually exclusive. You can have wild products designed in all manner of ways (with satellite connectivity!!!), they just need to be user-servicable. That's not an unreasonable request for a company with 200 billion dollars sitting in their R&D coffers. Right-to-repair regulation isn't about stifling innovation, it's abo…

>Apple has gone out of their way to make life as hard as possible on third-party repair shops No they haven't. They just had no reason to prioritize or put effort into making sure that third-party repair shops had an easy time to do this. Not putting effort into something isn't the same as actively putting effort into making things more difficult.

Pairing parts with phones is going out of their way to hinder self repair.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by originalvichy » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 6:26 PM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #202

> Forget satellite SOS and the larger camera, the headline is this: Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair. I find this line hilarious because it's an example of law of the instrument[0]. iFixit and other activist repair shops treat these devices as if their(the iPhones) purpose is getting a repair and all this talk over they years about iPhone repairability was fro…

iFixIt and others come from an era were smartphones were in the small space between repairable and expensive to replace. Like small laptops. Sure after years of specialization many shops offer quick fixes but it didn’t use to be that way. Sure you will never repair your phone but when and if it needs fixing the more accessible repairs are the better it is for the wallet and quality of work.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by dkonofalski » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 6:27 PM UTC

ornornor wrote: post #226

dkonofalski wrote: post #129

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>Apple has gone out of their way to make life as hard as possible on third-party repair shops No they haven't. They just had no reason to prioritize or put effort into making sure that third-party repair shops had an easy time to do this. Not putting effort into something isn't the same as actively putting effort into making things more difficult.

Pairing parts with phones is going out of their way to hinder self repair.

That is an incredibly ignorant statement. Pairing parts with the SOC is a security feature. The intent is to increase security with the side-effect being a more difficult repair process. You're acting like they did it with the purpose of trying to hinder self-repair. If that was the case, they wouldn't be taking any measures to make self-repair easier.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by dkonofalski » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 6:28 PM UTC

joshmanders wrote: post #221

dkonofalski wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then, in that case, I agree. I just felt like you were downplaying the number of people that actually do benefit from it and would benefit more with the recent change.

I don't know, the amount of people who aren't tech savvy that I know who contact me because they know I'm tech savvy tells me that a lot more "normal people" can find advantages in AC+ than us tech savvy people who take better care of our devices. I know since meeting my gf who is tech dumb, my device is more beaten up than it ever had been before due to just her using it randomly here and there.

This is my experience as well. As I've stated elsewhere, I've never needed to use an AppleCare repair myself but I know at least 5 people that have had multiple repairs done within a single year.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by daxelrod » Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 6:28 PM UTC

post_break wrote: post #79

postalrat wrote: post #30

Now just put a usb-c port on the phone and allow me to use any web browser.

Not just USB C, but USB C 3.1 or higher. If they put USB C 2.0 I'll rage.

It would make sense for Apple to tout a replacement connector as being faster, so I'd imagine they would go above the USB 3.0 that Lightning is capable of.