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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by nradov »

jscipione wrote: post #146
nradov wrote: post #142

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Bullshit. There is no such liability provision in the Communications Decency Act. You should read the actual text of the law instead of making things up.

"No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider" (47 U.S.C. § 230)

Yes that is part of the law, but it doesn't mean what you claimed. You're completely misinterpreting it. There is extensive case law in this area.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by RajT88 »

Beltalowda wrote: post #111
piokoch wrote: post #34

The problem is that no automatic method we have now will catch context. There is a difference between "Jews were murdered by Germans during war" and "Jews destroyed German economy before the war" that will not be recognized by any machine we have nowadays. The first is true, the second is bullshit, how algorithm can now this? More, even if Facebook employees humans to do moderation still for some contractor from Asia…

Furthermore, you can publish "The effects of the Jewish population on the 1930s German economy" which can be either a genuine bona-fide analysis, or something which essentially boils down to "Jews destroyed German economy before the war". I think the "reddit model" where you have smaller communities with community mods works much better than the Facebook or Twitter model where there's one "global community". Not that…

> Furthermore, you can publish "The effects of the Jewish population on the 1930s German economy" which can be either a genuine bona-fide analysis, or something which essentially boils down to "Jews destroyed German economy before the war".

When I was in college, I was looking around an FTP server and found a holocaust denier book. So I read it. Well, more moderately skimmed (not lightly).

It was exactly like this - it purported to be a sober view of history, well cited and no name calling. Literally none of the references were to anything real; it was all fabricated bullshit trying to push the reader to a particular conclusion (Jews are bad).

Not being able to tell the difference is entirely the point. These bastards are sneaky.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by dekhn »

SamBam wrote: post #110
Timshel wrote: post #48

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Ironic ? per the article : "the film’s title, which refers to the eye color of a child who perished at the hands of the Nazis and invokes a key scene in the movie"

That doesn't mean it's not ironic. It strains belief to suggest that the film makers weren't aware of Hitler's belief that being blond and blue-eyed was a mark of the "superior" Aryan race

Yes, and? Still not a reason to prevent advertising the movie on Facebook.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by icare_1er »

nradov wrote: post #119
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #27

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Removing incitements to violence seems like a good thing, and I would guess their customers (the advertisers) fully support it. The fact that they do it so badly is entirely on them.

Is removing incitements to violence always a good thing? Apparently Facebook makes an exception when it comes to violence against the Russians invading Ukraine. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-facebook-inst... I do support the right of Ukrainians to defend their country. But I'm not comfortable with giving social media corporate employees the power to decide which violence is good and which is bad.

FB has literally unbanned groups that were considered nearly terrorists several years ago (Azov), the second they became anti-Putin.

Goes to show how grotesque those making the rules on Good and Bad are - I am sure we can find similar stuff regarding Saudi Arabia, which is pretty much a Daesh that succeeded at gaining power and keeping it.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by pessimizer »

Timshel wrote: post #36
throwawayhl wrote: post #26

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> with atrocities which are not well known to western audiance

You say that as if this is a position the west found itself in rather than put itself in. Westerners generally aren't interested in Chinese corpses except as a justification for making more of them.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by dekhn »

darthrupert wrote: post #6

Recently Farcebook has started recommending incredibly toxic anti-SJW shit to me for no apparent reason. Either they turned the "let's incite toxicity" knob to 11 or somebody is seriously abusing them.

Just yesterday, Facebook started including in-stream ads for Creation Research. I'm a scientist who's work on evolution. i also see several other ridiculous ads that have no relevance to me.

I think it's more likely the folks running the product machine learning recommendation engines are asleep at the wheel; after all, Mark lost interest in his core product to promote AR, so why would th efolks running the core product care?

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Post by sidewndr46 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #90
anshorei wrote: post #61

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No, but the opposition that the left once fronted to the NSA's surveillance has withered in the past ten years or so and (some) republicans have picked up the slack. Not too long ago the "war on terror" was considered to be the road to authoritarianism, now democrats are openly championing making it a new domestic war on terror. To those who opposed the war on terror from the beginning it's scary how quickly this opp…

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If you think a plot to kill a governor is somehow destabilizing to the United States, you should probably read about Rod Blagojevich. The guy tried to sell a US senate seat. Corruption has a much farther reaching effect than any single assassination.

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Post by erehweb »

scarmig wrote: post #141
bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

I don't know anything at all about FB advertising, but is there any way someone could use canary accounts to rollout an ad to prevent this? I.e. start with a small ad buy in a low follower/whatever account, wait 24 hours for it to be flagged, and if it doesn't trigger any reviews, roll it out to the main/real account? Not that that's practical for a mom and pop shop.

Sounds like a good way for canary and main to get banned for some policy violation.

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Post by sidewndr46 »

dane-pgp wrote: post #126
philippejara wrote: post #105

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Democracy isn't a king of the hill match, if some loonies managed to take over the capitol they'd just get siege'd out. How do you honestly think this would go? they take the capitol and trump shows up and says "im the president for another term" then everyone goes home and ignores the corpse of Mike Pence?

> How do you honestly think this would go? They destroy the certifications of the electoral votes from the states (as almost happened[0]), causing various states to (disingenuously) disagree about how to replace the lost documents. Enough FUD (and lawsuits, and delays) would be generated during this period of public disorientation that the Republican party could exploit the ambiguity of the Constitutional phrase "a m…

If the US is so fragile that a box of paper is somehow key to the stability of an entire empire, we're pretty much doomed.

Also your statement that "Since a majority of states at the time had Republican representation, they would have elected Trump" is laughable. It's well known that Trump asked multiple Republican governors to "find some votes" and they obviously did not do this. Even if someone is a demagogue that doesn't make them willing to commit a career ending felony. After all, being a demagogue got them a long way. Not by falsifying election documents.

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