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Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by sgjohnson »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #72
sgjohnson wrote: post #56

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I'd really like to see this. And after that I'd like to see a jury hit Facebook with 12 figures in punitive damages in a class action case.

Doesn't FB have the right to not do business with you? What is the basis for the suit? Anyway I do remember FB's "a cool "open source" way to do front-end development, feel "free" to use it, you can't sue us though". So maybe there is some shitty clause like that when you sign up.

> What is the basis for the suit?

Withholding your money and then when you (rightfully) sue them for that, retaliating and kicking you off the platform entirely?

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by Bakary »

noneeeed wrote: post #13
ben_w wrote: post #11

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Possibly, but not the only explanations — my feed is now more than 50% suggested/promoted content, including Fox News Tampa, even though I'm living in a different city in a different state in a different country in a different continent and almost all of my friends are further to the left than even the left-most US Democrat. If I had to guess, the bottom has fallen out of the advertising market and every business rel…

The FB feed has become utterly drenched in suggested content, 99% of which is trash. I'm sure they will see some short term bump but I've got to wonder if this is finally the end for them. I'm certainly not bothering to check it any more.

Facebook still has billions of users. It's just that its hope lies outside of the West

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by criddell »

nova22033 wrote: post #96
obayesshelton wrote: post #9

This is because Facebook is a Publisher. They will never admit it but FB/META can decide what users can see. This is the what a Publisher does. The issue we have is that if you let the users decide what is shown on any platform it would be quite a mess.

https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/23/hello-youve-been-referre...

I think you are responding to something the GP never said or implied.

Meta wants you to think you are in charge of what you see but it isn't true and hasn't been for a while now. The algorithm decides. It acts as an editor pulling together a site tailored to whatever it thinks will maximize Meta revenue.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by himinlomax »

hfbff wrote: post #50

"This is the action of haters – and there are sadly many in our society – who seek to damage the film in order to trivialize the Holocaust" Newton told Rolling Stone at the Toronto Film Festival. There are a lot of stupid things Facebook is doing, but why, of all things, would you accuse them of trivializing the Holocaust? If anything, this kind of accusations (using the Holocaust as a defense for everything) trivial…

Why? To force them to respond.

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Post by philippejara »

michaelmrose wrote: post #90
anshorei wrote: post #61

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No, but the opposition that the left once fronted to the NSA's surveillance has withered in the past ten years or so and (some) republicans have picked up the slack. Not too long ago the "war on terror" was considered to be the road to authoritarianism, now democrats are openly championing making it a new domestic war on terror. To those who opposed the war on terror from the beginning it's scary how quickly this opp…

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Democracy isn't a king of the hill match, if some loonies managed to take over the capitol they'd just get siege'd out.

How do you honestly think this would go? they take the capitol and trump shows up and says "im the president for another term" then everyone goes home and ignores the corpse of Mike Pence?

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Post by herbst »

criddell wrote: post #98
herbst wrote: post #42

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I realize this was a weird time and masks have been a complicated topic. However: I advertised some masks my grandma has sewn on FB. It was ok, expansive clicks like always but ok. This was running for at least a week or two. But when I changed some text it triggered a new ad review and within no hour my account was banned. It didn't even took a hour to deny my appeal as well and my account was lost forever (without…

Did you ever consider starting the arbitration process with Facebook?

I am not aware that is a thing. My googling back then led me to believe that there is nothing after the appeal.

But honestly I don't care anymore. Their ad platform barely worked for me and their numbers didn't match my log numbers for years before this happened.

I haven't had any other use for the platform either way.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by greggeter »

lbriner wrote: post #93

There still seem to be some many basics that FB and YouTube get wrong with their "automatic" video moderation. Use people's "report" button clicks as an early indicator that something should be looked at - a big flag. Look at certain words or phrases that are either unambiguously bad or possibly like "kill" or "why I hate ..." - a medium flag Phrases that are less certain, = a small flag. Block some things proactivel…

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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by philippejara »

benj111 wrote: post #94
philippejara wrote: post #80

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Well you shut down the idea yourself, would be completely non-viable due to jurisdiction issues, unless you'd want to follow the US position and even then you'd run into issues. The biggest problem I'd say isn't necessarily the websites themselves but stuff like the app store and google play store, and things like infrastructure providers. Having your social media be removed from the apple store/google play store is…

I didn't shut down the idea. I just raised the counterpoint. If Europe decided to say that you can't take down things arbitrarily. What would Facebook do about that? At this point in time a geographically splintered internet with freedom of speech seems better than what we've got at the moment.

I do believe the counterpoint kills the idea, is what I meant. A geographically splintered internet(or rather, geographically splintered "social medias") would just lead to a service showing up that is international and will grow a majority again and the whole cycle begins anew.

The only way I can see this happening would be different instances for each country, as in things would get moderated based on the country laws in question, which I suppose could work in theory, but at that point having enough support staff to actively moderate on a country by country basis is doubtful given how it is currently.

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Post by SamBam »

Timshel wrote: post #48
mynameishere wrote: post #45

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Ironic ? per the article : "the film’s title, which refers to the eye color of a child who perished at the hands of the Nazis and invokes a key scene in the movie"

That doesn't mean it's not ironic. It strains belief to suggest that the film makers weren't aware of Hitler's belief that being blond and blue-eyed was a mark of the "superior" Aryan race
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