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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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ls15 wrote: post #66
herbst wrote: post #42

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I realize this was a weird time and masks have been a complicated topic. However: I advertised some masks my grandma has sewn on FB. It was ok, expansive clicks like always but ok. This was running for at least a week or two. But when I changed some text it triggered a new ad review and within no hour my account was banned. It didn't even took a hour to deny my appeal as well and my account was lost forever (without…

> This is the reason I completely ignore Facebook and all its platforms for whatever reason these days. I don't care if it could help my business, it's not worth the trouble. That's basically my stance since 2004 when I first heard about them. I lost some opportunities, I guess, but it also allowed me to tell everyone how I feel about data privacy while keeping a straight face.

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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by ben_w »

themitigating wrote: post #44
benj111 wrote: post #3

We really need to stop thinking about social networking sites as private companies, and think about them as the public spaces they actually are. It isn't good for society for a few companies to have a strangle hold on what can be said online. I do kind of feel for them in some ways because you have different nations with different norms and laws, but the answer isn't some lowest common denominator, and ridding the we…

Why should we consider them public spaces when they are private companies? And social media companies only control what is said on their platform not "online" aka the entire internet as you said

> Why should we consider them public spaces when they are private companies?

As the other commenter is suggesting a change to the status quo, what legal status they have now isn't important, but instead what matters is role they serve in society.

Personally I think the US idea of freedom of speech is too anarchic to be sustainable, but even with that, the de-facto power that Big Tech has over communication (and commerce) means I think Big Tech should be held to a similar standard in this regard as any government.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by bwb »

math-dev wrote: post #71
Kiro wrote: post #28

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What was the full sentence? I've marketed a lot of games on Facebook with much worse words (kill etc) and never had a problem. Also, kept money how? Facebook charges you in arrears.

Unfortunately on the internet the onus is on the defendant to prove innocence. I hardly buy the top comment as true but everyone eats it up here since it goes with their narrative

Serious? It is entirely true, why would I share that otherwise? I've been on HN for a long time, see my background :)

Your account is totally blank and joined in 2021. You also submitted an article about rethinking app development at FB. In a comment you also post you work for a large company.

Do you work for Facebook?

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by bwb »

peteradio wrote: post #79
piokoch wrote: post #34

The problem is that no automatic method we have now will catch context. There is a difference between "Jews were murdered by Germans during war" and "Jews destroyed German economy before the war" that will not be recognized by any machine we have nowadays. The first is true, the second is bullshit, how algorithm can now this? More, even if Facebook employees humans to do moderation still for some contractor from Asia…

Provide services that force people to have skin in the game (non-anonymous and/or paid). Don't connect the whole goddamn world together, the world is not a melting pot. Let those in the network flag/block/defend/vouch so it aligns with whatever culture is on that particular network.

Maybe slight tweak to this "the world is a melting point, it just melts very slowly :)"

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Post by acdw »

anshorei wrote: post #61
dane-pgp wrote: post #31

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> the left, with its eternal desire to monitor what everyone says or even thinks. Would you say that the NSA is a left wing organization then?

No, but the opposition that the left once fronted to the NSA's surveillance has withered in the past ten years or so and (some) republicans have picked up the slack. Not too long ago the "war on terror" was considered to be the road to authoritarianism, now democrats are openly championing making it a new domestic war on terror. To those who opposed the war on terror from the beginning it's scary how quickly this opp…

I'm really bothered by the way you casually conflate an actual war in the middle east---the longest war in American history, by the way---with a metaphorical war on domestic violent extremism and neonazism. these are two very different things.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by job_suche »

I mean, that is also the first thought I had when I read the title, even before delving into the article. If instead of "beautiful blue eyes" it was "silky smooth pale white skin", would it then be different?

For once I think Facebook is right. Poor choice of a film title, that, especially considering the theme of the film.

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Post by michaelmrose »

icare_1er wrote: post #38
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #27

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Removing incitements to violence seems like a good thing, and I would guess their customers (the advertisers) fully support it. The fact that they do it so badly is entirely on them.

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You needn't read or analyze everything just the stuff that is reported and since 90% of the problem is 1% of individuals if you can keep the same old folks from coming back you will ultimately have less to process. The logical thing is that the kind of human moderation that they actually needs costs money and you acquire said funds by charging monthly. This has the side effect of making it easy to permanently ban problem children via their address and or method of payment. One need not take prepaid cards either.

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Post by Bakary »

icare_1er wrote: post #38
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #27

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Removing incitements to violence seems like a good thing, and I would guess their customers (the advertisers) fully support it. The fact that they do it so badly is entirely on them.

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Censorious ideology is a minor point compared to the overall picture. Haphazard content removal wouldn't be an issue if the space wasn't controlled by a handful of private companies that routinely abuse their power.

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Post by bhedgeoser »

bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

> Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem...

Skynet is here.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by michaelmrose »

anshorei wrote: post #61
dane-pgp wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the left, with its eternal desire to monitor what everyone says or even thinks. Would you say that the NSA is a left wing organization then?

No, but the opposition that the left once fronted to the NSA's surveillance has withered in the past ten years or so and (some) republicans have picked up the slack. Not too long ago the "war on terror" was considered to be the road to authoritarianism, now democrats are openly championing making it a new domestic war on terror. To those who opposed the war on terror from the beginning it's scary how quickly this opp…

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