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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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No, this is the result of the laziness of social networks to look for automated solutions to solve at-scale (read: at the lowest cost) problems of their own making. More generally this is the result of giving free rein on global discourse to unregulated companies, who ultimately took full advantage and profiteed off of it.

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> the left, with its eternal desire to monitor what everyone says or even thinks.

Would you say that the NSA is a left wing organization then?

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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How come they get to keep money for the service not provided? Should be strictly illegal.

It probably is, but not all jurisdictions have a small claims court and even those that do, it can be quite cumbersome compared to the lost money

And if you do it, Facebook will probably retaliate by permanently closing your account.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Whether or not OP is serious, people holding opinions like this (e.g., it’s possible to be racist against Nazis, who incidentally are not a race but rather a political affiliation) certainly exist. It’s a sad state of affairs.

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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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The problem is that no automatic method we have now will catch context. There is a difference between "Jews were murdered by Germans during war" and "Jews destroyed German economy before the war" that will not be recognized by any machine we have nowadays. The first is true, the second is bullshit, how algorithm can now this?

More, even if Facebook employees humans to do moderation still for some contractor from Asia "Jews destroyed German economy before the war" might not be easy to verify. For a contractor maybe Jews did that, who cares, I have 20 seconds to moderate this and move to other post. The same way if I was asked to moderate some historical details about India-Pakistan conflict or other historical facts about Asia, Africa I have no knowledge about at all.

I was reading quite a lot recently about war in Angola and still I have doubts which side was "good" and which was "bad", besides that people who lived there were hurt in the history like almost no other nation.

Even worst. Some, especially historical, facts are judged from different perspective. For instance in Poland Napoleon Bonaparte is a mythologized person that brought hope to Polish hearts to get back their homeland [1]. From the point of view of someone from Austria or Italy, well, Napoleon is considered to be far from hero.

We don't have to go back that far in the history. US intervention in Afghanistan or Iraq can be seen differently depending on somebody views.

How to moderate all this?

[1] Fun fact: not a big surprise that Napoleon didn't give a crap about Poland, he even refused to give them a proper King at the short time he could (he has chosen some Saxon prince). At the end, when Napoleon lost, remains of Polish military units were sent to Haiti to help France to maintain their colonies. Many Polish soldiers died from tropical illnesses there, many joined Haitians as they saw that those people were fighting for their freedom like Poles were.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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I wonder if marketers could start exploiting this. Get something obviously innocent banned in a stupid way by algo, then use the outrage effect for promotion. They already kinda did this with people destroying stuff of companies that made some statements, this seems like the next step.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Whether or not OP is serious, people holding opinions like this (e.g., it’s possible to be racist against Nazis, who incidentally are not a race but rather a political affiliation) certainly exist. It’s a sad state of affairs.

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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

How come they get to keep money for the service not provided? Should be strictly illegal.

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Removing incitements to violence seems like a good thing, and I would guess their customers (the advertisers) fully support it. The fact that they do it so badly is entirely on them.

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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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There's a sector of society that unironically uses phrases such as "anti-White hate-porn". Do you really want to be part of that sector?

I'm sorry, appealing to in-group/out-group bias is a horrible way to address a point, regardless of what the point is.

Debate is literally appealing to in-group/out-group bias. The purpose of debate is to try to influence that bias.

The weird thing about debate is that the most ridiculous claims have the most evidence against them, and are therefore the most work to refute with sources. Claiming that the earth is flat takes a lot more evidence to refute than claiming that the earth has slightly incorrect parameters of oblate spheroid-ness.

This is played upon by certain people. Trying to explain why a concept such as "anti-white hate-porn" is just not a thing is like trying to explain how we're pretty sure we actually landed on the moon.

This comes back to the fallacy of "equal time for both sides of the debate".

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Not the best place to play with semantic. There is a reason there is deep animosity between japan/china and japan/korea.

Just over 37-45 estimated war crimes resulted in 3 to 30 millions death ...

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