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Provide services that force people to have skin in the game (non-anonymous and/or paid). Don't connect the whole goddamn world together, the world is not a melting pot. Let those in the network flag/block/defend/vouch so it aligns with whatever culture is on that particular network.
Maybe slight tweak to this "the world is a melting point, it just melts very slowly :)"
The world is a lava lamp. The blobs coalesce and shift around but never for too long in the same spot.
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#93There still seem to be some many basics that FB and YouTube get wrong with their "automatic" video moderation.
Use people's "report" button clicks as an early indicator that something should be looked at - a big flag.
Look at certain words or phrases that are either unambiguously bad or possibly like "kill" or "why I hate ..." - a medium flag
Phrases that are less certain, = a small flag.
Block some things proactively, moderate others, react to the others as they are reported. I don't think people are bothered that bad stuff gets posted as much as these companies not doing anything about it when it is reported. If 1000 people flag a video, up to the top of the list. If the flagging is malicious, then downgrade the reputation of the accounts that flagged it. If new accounts upload stuff, rate-limit it in some way etc.
I know I am making it sound really easy but with how ever many 1000 Developers, it shouldn't be impossible for someone like FB to do this much better.
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#94We really need to stop thinking about social networking sites as private companies, and think about them as the public spaces they actually are. It isn't good for society for a few companies to have a strangle hold on what can be said online. I do kind of feel for them in some ways because you have different nations with different norms and laws, but the answer isn't some lowest common denominator, and ridding the we…
Well you shut down the idea yourself, would be completely non-viable due to jurisdiction issues, unless you'd want to follow the US position and even then you'd run into issues. The biggest problem I'd say isn't necessarily the websites themselves but stuff like the app store and google play store, and things like infrastructure providers. Having your social media be removed from the apple store/google play store is…
I didn't shut down the idea. I just raised the counterpoint.
If Europe decided to say that you can't take down things arbitrarily. What would Facebook do about that? At this point in time a geographically splintered internet with freedom of speech seems better than what we've got at the moment.
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Unfortunately on the internet the onus is on the defendant to prove innocence. I hardly buy the top comment as true but everyone eats it up here since it goes with their narrative
Serious? It is entirely true, why would I share that otherwise? I've been on HN for a long time, see my background :) Your account is totally blank and joined in 2021. You also submitted an article about rethinking app development at FB. In a comment you also post you work for a large company. Do you work for Facebook?
I don’t work at facebook but based on your response I am more likely to believe you now. Sorry if it caused any angst, wasn’t intended.
However doesn’t change the fact that a lot of things get accepted at face value if they align with what someone’s view of things is
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#96This is because Facebook is a Publisher. They will never admit it but FB/META can decide what users can see. This is the what a Publisher does. The issue we have is that if you let the users decide what is shown on any platform it would be quite a mess.
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#98I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.
I realize this was a weird time and masks have been a complicated topic. However: I advertised some masks my grandma has sewn on FB. It was ok, expansive clicks like always but ok. This was running for at least a week or two. But when I changed some text it triggered a new ad review and within no hour my account was banned. It didn't even took a hour to deny my appeal as well and my account was lost forever (without…
Did you ever consider starting the arbitration process with Facebook?
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#99The problem is that no automatic method we have now will catch context. There is a difference between "Jews were murdered by Germans during war" and "Jews destroyed German economy before the war" that will not be recognized by any machine we have nowadays. The first is true, the second is bullshit, how algorithm can now this? More, even if Facebook employees humans to do moderation still for some contractor from Asia…
> At the end, when Napoleon lost, remains of Polish military units were sent to Haiti to help France to maintain their colonies.
Just a minor correction, the Polish were sent to Haiti in 1802, way before Napoleon had started losing.
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Possibly, but not the only explanations — my feed is now more than 50% suggested/promoted content, including Fox News Tampa, even though I'm living in a different city in a different state in a different country in a different continent and almost all of my friends are further to the left than even the left-most US Democrat. If I had to guess, the bottom has fallen out of the advertising market and every business rel…
It reminds me of stores, you can get a feel for how well the store is doing by how aggressively they try to shovel the loyalty card on you. See also: magazines, watch the signal to noise ratio plummet as they try to prop up revenue with more and lower quality ads. I get why they do it, they are in a death spiral, desperately trying to find that one thing that will save them, mostly I think it just hastens the end as…
I always wondered why physical shops offered a much worse experience in many ways than online ones, even taking into account the obviously insurmountable logistical advantage of the latter. I mean you'd expect them to at least try to have better service?
The answer of course is that their only choice is to focus on their captive audience (people who can't or won't buy online) and extract as much as possible until the music stops.
A similar thing is ironically happening to Netflix