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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by 1123581321 »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #73

The erosion of the Mac experience began with Sublime Text. It’s a perfectly cromulent editor, but it was the inflection point where the Mac was becoming an important business target for efforts outside the ecosystem, and where developers who hadn’t been on Macs by choice were being issued them by their employers. It was the first widely adopted third party app on the platform that was both non-native and adopted enth…

I agree. Interesting point. I was one of those who switched, and, looking back, I didn’t give any thought to how Sublime was built vs. how Textmate was built. A testament to the performance and level of system respect from Sublime, but it did popularize the viability of the approach and a lot of less careful software followed.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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runjake wrote: post #43

The key point in this Twitter rant is that the SWEs who understood the Mac (and NEXTSTEP, for that matter) have aged out. Most everyone has retired or moved onto other opportunities. There's very few of them left at Apple. And they're often overruled by younger managers. Apple is hiring tons of fresh new SWEs who have no understanding, nor desire to understand "The Mac Way". I'm not saying this is right or wrong, the…

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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by grapeskin »

lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

1 is preference.

2 is something I haven’t experienced. I guess maybe you’re using low resolution monitors? I find Windows to be incredibly blurry or text painfully sharp.

3 is something where I think the Mac mindset is to not really use full screen windows. I personally always have part of my desktop visible and most Mac users I’ve seen in the wild seem to do the same. Probably a consequence of the drag and drop mindset (which Windows is painful to use due to it doing the opposite of MacOS when it comes to drag and drop)

Enable the file path setting in your finder options. Super easy to navigate up then.

Disk images are nice in that usually they contain a drag and drop application install process, while windows often has some messy installer that leaves a trail of shit in its wake that’s sometimes impossible to fully remove when you’re trying to uninstall the program. But… I think a zip file would do all a disk image could and make more sense to people. Sometimes I do encounter zips, though.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by blep_ »

Gigachad wrote: post #90
rc_kas wrote: post #14

Windows sucks MacOS is headed towards suck If you want a glimpse of the future of desktops : r/unixporn

I have only been using macOS for a few years now but it’s only been getting better for me. The new control panel thing is great, the M1 is mind blowing and everything mostly just works. Have been using Linux for 10 years now and while I still respect the work that has gone in, you have to be very forgiving of all the stuff that just doesn’t work right.

The M1 does seem pretty great. I wish I could get it in a non-Apple machine, because nothing else about that ecosystem appeals to me.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by hammyhavoc »

chongli wrote: post #125
arvinsim wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple themselves are to blame for that

Trying to compete with Adobe in this space seems pretty futile. Pro users are deeply entrenched in their workflows. The R&D costs of innovation are off the charts and the market is extremely tiny. The same problem occurred with Autodesk.

That opinion is very outdated. Da Vinci Resolve is the #1 post-production tool in Hollywood, and gives real-time collab, via LAN and WAN. It even works on Linux, Windows and macOS. Linux is huge in Hollywood these days. BlackMagic cut ahead with their Cinema Camera range of hardware.

Cubase/Nuendo and Pro Tools likewise dominates as a combo for composers and sound designers.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by presentation »

pram wrote: post #130
hammyhavoc wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Within what industry/industries? Has the same energy as "everybody I've ever met in my entire life both use SUSE Linux".

The past 3 companies I’ve worked at since 2014 issue MBPs to all developers, data analysts, etc.

True for SV-style tech companies, not true for most other industries.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by jahewson »

incanus77 wrote: post #5
anonymouse008 wrote: post #2

This guy has no idea what he’s talking about. One language, one gui framework, and one API paradigm - unified across all contextual devices - is exactly what Apple should do. SwiftUI is not it by any means, but to say that the idea of SwiftUI tries to achieve is a bad aim is completely wrong. The aim of UIKit on all Apple devices is 100% correct; and allows developers to go deep into the API forest to create mystical…

It's not the mystical interactions or feel of widgets, layout, and function that are the problem, it's bad UX paradigms, declining consistency between apps and across versions (a Mac hallmark), buggy software on an aggressive annual schedule, holes and rot in developer documentation, constant treadmill of Xcode and device updates, and general lack of attention to detail in Mac apps. I've been a Mac user and dev for t…

Could you give an example of some “bad UX paradigms”?

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by MrScruff »

happyopossum wrote: post #20

I have been hearing this for almost 2 decades now, as long as I’ve been following the ‘community’. Meanwhile, in my real life, my parents, wife, kids, and friends, are all happier than they ever ever been with their latest MacBooks and macOS. Things like iCloud photo syncing, universal control, and airdrop feel boring to us, but they make the computing experience feel pretty much like living in the future for them.

Totally agree! I've been using Macs since the 80s, every version of Windows since 3.1. I use the Linux desktop all day at work.

I've been reading these 'Apple has lost its mojo' opinion pieces for decades but I'm really not seeing it. Sure there are specific issues but compared to the competition it's still night and day.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by lastangryman »

grapeskin wrote: post #143
lastangryman wrote: post #133

I feel like I may be the only developer that prefers Windows to MacOs. I really, really just do not get the "Mac Experience". It feels so clunky and counter intuitive. - Why does the alt tab equivalent cycle through applications first, and I need another shortcut to cycle through the windows of that application? When I have an IDE with 5x instances, hosting different projects, it's a pain switching back to the projec…

1 is preference. 2 is something I haven’t experienced. I guess maybe you’re using low resolution monitors? I find Windows to be incredibly blurry or text painfully sharp. 3 is something where I think the Mac mindset is to not really use full screen windows. I personally always have part of my desktop visible and most Mac users I’ve seen in the wild seem to do the same. Probably a consequence of the drag and drop mind…

Of course, it's all preference, I'm not making a case to say it's objectively bad, just I find it inferior.

The monitor is a ultrawide LG that works perfectly on windows. A Google for "blurry text external monitor MacBook Pro" turns up many people with the same issue (edit: it's a 1440p monitor)

Thanks for the finder tip, that will help.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by petepete »

russnes wrote: post #111
kitsunesoba wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't see Linux (or other GNU-desktop-nixlike) becoming a full-time macOS replacement for me because no DE works the way I'd like it to. You've got KDE (Windowslike), GNOME (what if iPadOS were adapted into a desktop OS), XFCE (middle ground between Windows and Classic Mac OS), and Cinnamon (Classic Windowslike), and Pantheon (what if iPadOS looked like Mac OS X Mavericks). None that are an obvious choice for someo…

Maybe someone should make a Linux distro with a DE preconfigured to work "the Mac way", kind of like Linux Mint is preconfigured to be "the Windows way".

There's hello and ravynos that fit in this category, but they're BSD based.

https://hellosystem.github.io/

https://ravynos.com/

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