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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by Jensson »

1-6 wrote: post #93
Jensson wrote: post #83

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> Another company that puts users first will eventually arise and take its place. I doubt it, new companies spring up like mushrooms when fields gets disruptively innovated, but big companies tend to stay otherwise. Can see it here, lots of shifts in the biggest companies the first half, while the second half is dominated by Apple, Microsoft, Google, Alibaba, Facebook and Amazon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSulo…

I was taking apart my Dyson today to clean it out. I was thinking that it was elegant and useful. I sort of like the company because it doesn’t attempt to get in the way and just provides a nice experience for a tad higher price. Then I thought vacuum cleaners have existed for a while now. There’s the Whirlwind, Bissel, Kirby, Electrolux, Hoover, Oreck, Dyson, and most recently iRobot. Each generation had their brand…

Microwave ovens are simple to design and that makes them not comparable, almost all the cost comes from running the factory and buying inputs.

A consumer level OS on the other hand is extremely expensive to develop and basically free to copy, so the advantage of scale is extreme, you wont see that level of competition there.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by pjmlp »

drawingthesun wrote: post #91
runjake wrote: post #43

The key point in this Twitter rant is that the SWEs who understood the Mac (and NEXTSTEP, for that matter) have aged out. Most everyone has retired or moved onto other opportunities. There's very few of them left at Apple. And they're often overruled by younger managers. Apple is hiring tons of fresh new SWEs who have no understanding, nor desire to understand "The Mac Way". I'm not saying this is right or wrong, the…

Moved on to where? Windows has adverts in the start menu! Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker. Since I moved to Mac from Windows I’m thankful for macOS even if it could be better, it’s still much more usable than the alternatives. I find myself spending more time on my professional work and less time fixing driver issues or fighting annoying in OS ads.

Not the pro versions, they can be removed, and it still entails 80% of the desktop market worldwide.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by pjmlp »

1-6 wrote: post #93
Jensson wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Another company that puts users first will eventually arise and take its place. I doubt it, new companies spring up like mushrooms when fields gets disruptively innovated, but big companies tend to stay otherwise. Can see it here, lots of shifts in the biggest companies the first half, while the second half is dominated by Apple, Microsoft, Google, Alibaba, Facebook and Amazon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSulo…

I was taking apart my Dyson today to clean it out. I was thinking that it was elegant and useful. I sort of like the company because it doesn’t attempt to get in the way and just provides a nice experience for a tad higher price. Then I thought vacuum cleaners have existed for a while now. There’s the Whirlwind, Bissel, Kirby, Electrolux, Hoover, Oreck, Dyson, and most recently iRobot. Each generation had their brand…

Mostly US schools.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by personjerry »

runjake wrote: post #43

The key point in this Twitter rant is that the SWEs who understood the Mac (and NEXTSTEP, for that matter) have aged out. Most everyone has retired or moved onto other opportunities. There's very few of them left at Apple. And they're often overruled by younger managers. Apple is hiring tons of fresh new SWEs who have no understanding, nor desire to understand "The Mac Way". I'm not saying this is right or wrong, the…

But don't the product designers define the Mac Experience rather than the SWEs?

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by chongli »

arvinsim wrote: post #100
hammyhavoc wrote: post #57

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There was one point where it seemed like everybody in Hollywood, music, and the visual arts were using Macs. Logic and Final Cut used to be serious programs.

Apple themselves are to blame for that

Trying to compete with Adobe in this space seems pretty futile. Pro users are deeply entrenched in their workflows. The R&D costs of innovation are off the charts and the market is extremely tiny. The same problem occurred with Autodesk.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by hammyhavoc »

chongli wrote: post #110
lbwtaylor wrote: post #96

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Apple constantly spams you with popup ads for their cloud services, far worse IMHO than any start menu nonsense. To each their own.

I’m paying like $4/mo for iCloud storage. All my files are backed up there. I don’t get any ads. Is there an option like that on Windows?

Sounds like the days of a lack of ads on Apple products is changing: https://www.macworld.com/article/831218/ads-stocks-news-app-...

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by dmitriid »

InTheArena wrote: post #21

I've of two minds on this topic. The first is that the vast majority of concerns are coming from the Independent developer iOS/Mac scene. Some of these concernes are legit. There is unquestionably problems with Apple's quality with some software. The new SwiftUI based Settings app in Ventura is not yet stable, and when Apple's entire raison d'etre has been it just works, it's understandable that people get upset when…

> Apple needed to get off of Objective-C (who knows C anymore, to say nothing of objective-c?) and AppKit (30 year old technology at this point).

Ah yes. It absolutely needs to get off AppKit. Because... It's old?

How about: AppKit works, is easy to work with, delivers amazing results and doesn't have even 0.00001% of the issues that plague SwiftUI.

I mean, with SwiftUI they can't even get the most primitive layouts and interactions right despite working closely with the SwiftUI team https://twitter.com/nikitonsky/status/1560745508624551936

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by hammyhavoc »

5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #104
mfcl wrote: post #62

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I don't use a single Apple product. What am I missing?

nothing. you're probably saving a lot of money, something objectively true. fwiw safari is the no 1 worst browser i have ever used, as a developer. it's hot garbage. not the renderer, the browser itself and its dev tools. plus you need an apple account and a 10 trillion gb xcode install just to port your chrome extension to safari, what a joke. and every couple of years apple decides to drop backwards compatibility f…

Yes, Safari is piss-poor for 2022.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by noughtme »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #113
drawingthesun wrote: post #91

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Moved on to where? Windows has adverts in the start menu! Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker. Since I moved to Mac from Windows I’m thankful for macOS even if it could be better, it’s still much more usable than the alternatives. I find myself spending more time on my professional work and less time fixing driver issues or fighting annoying in OS ads.

I am the "analysis software coordinator" for a nuclear physics experiment (MUSE). The software framework we use was originally developed by me, on a macbook pro, mainly, targeting both MacOS and Linux. We have to onboard new students regularly, and it's quite a software stack to compile (Geant4, root, helper libs, our framework). 5-10 years ago, I was happy if a new student was on Mac. Slap homebrew on it, install th…

Docker? After attemping to install dependencies and build GIS tools originating in the 90´s, I am so thankful for people who have published docker images of obscure software.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by pram »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #79
what-imright wrote: post #77

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Every professional I know is on Mac

Within what industry/industries? Has the same energy as "everybody I've ever met in my entire life both use SUSE Linux".

The past 3 companies I’ve worked at since 2014 issue MBPs to all developers, data analysts, etc.
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