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Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by hammyhavoc »

happyopossum wrote: post #20

I have been hearing this for almost 2 decades now, as long as I’ve been following the ‘community’. Meanwhile, in my real life, my parents, wife, kids, and friends, are all happier than they ever ever been with their latest MacBooks and macOS. Things like iCloud photo syncing, universal control, and airdrop feel boring to us, but they make the computing experience feel pretty much like living in the future for them.

Your parents, kids et cetera aren't power users though. Macs used to be for professionals, but Apple started seriously chasing the consumer demographic with the original iMac.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by jbc1 »

wizofaus wrote: post #31
bandushrew wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me use a single device but via different hardware depending on context. Give me a phone I can plug into 2 monitors and a keyboard and interact with as a desktop, or slot into the back of a laptop case for portable computing, or put into my pocket.

Actually sounds pretty good, but how feasible is it for a phone sized device to be sufficiently high spec to run, e.g., fully featured development tools etc. I mean you need 32Gb RAM, 8 core processors and 512Gb SSDs these days just to run the basics (maybe less if using linux)...if you're doing modern game development or CAD stuff probably twice that. But... something you could dock your phone into as needed to allo…

I think if/when we get to the point where people with browser based workloads can just sit down at a desk and have the monitors and keyboard automatically connect to their phone, more hardware intensive software will quickly move to the cloud.

You’ll be doing game development and CAD stuff with your phone acting as a thin client.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by runjake »

The key point in this Twitter rant is that the SWEs who understood the Mac (and NEXTSTEP, for that matter) have aged out. Most everyone has retired or moved onto other opportunities. There's very few of them left at Apple. And they're often overruled by younger managers.

Apple is hiring tons of fresh new SWEs who have no understanding, nor desire to understand "The Mac Way".

I'm not saying this is right or wrong, the world needs to move on, but it's a punch to my nostalgic gut.

If you're hanging onto the Mac out of some belief that Apple will re-find their way WRT macOS, don't. That train left the station years ago. It's past time to move on.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by hammyhavoc »

rc_kas wrote: post #14

Windows sucks MacOS is headed towards suck If you want a glimpse of the future of desktops : r/unixporn

r/unixporn is full of horribly impractical and poor UX made by bored people who don't really use their computer for serious work. Just tinkerers. Same crowd who post elaborate and artistic BuJo stuff up with to-do entries of "Post up new photos of BuJo to Reddit" and "Get some new pens for BuJo" as tasks. Meta crap.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by flenserboy »

darkteflon wrote: post #27
jagger27 wrote: post #13

They really have to stop this release cadence. It’s not working and hasn’t been working for so long.

That’s my biggest gripe with MacOS: the yearly release schedule. Give us two or three years on each major release - at least. Take the labour saved and do something about bugs that affect system stability (the well-documented finder memory leak, for example), particularly problematic apps (looking at you, Music.app) and the woeful developer documentation.

Yes. Yes yes yes. The desktop is there for work, and having a stable interface + a stable, bug-excised system makes everyone's lives better by making work smoother and more predictable. Apple makes great hardware; it deserves software to match.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by threeseed »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #41
happyopossum wrote: post #20

I have been hearing this for almost 2 decades now, as long as I’ve been following the ‘community’. Meanwhile, in my real life, my parents, wife, kids, and friends, are all happier than they ever ever been with their latest MacBooks and macOS. Things like iCloud photo syncing, universal control, and airdrop feel boring to us, but they make the computing experience feel pretty much like living in the future for them.

Your parents, kids et cetera aren't power users though. Macs used to be for professionals, but Apple started seriously chasing the consumer demographic with the original iMac.

> Macs used to be for professionals

Makes you wonder who is then buying these expensive MacBook Pros, Mac Studios and Mac Pros.

I guess it's those grandmas needing 28 cores for their recipes.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by jbay808 »

bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #34
hnburnsy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing against you and your family, but I am disappointed when for example, the Netflix app shows 2 rows of 6 titles when probably 100 could fit on the 3024-by-1964 native resolution display. Heck even the top 10 list scrolls to the right and only shows 1 through 4.

Annoyingly, nearly every video streaming service uses this horizontal-scrolling skeuomorphism, presumably modeled on video tape rental shelves. Give me vertical scrolling, or give me death!

It would at least be nice if I could scroll all the rows together, instead of one row at a time. In the video rental store, I could do that.

But I'd also be happy with just a file directory.

Re: The erosion of the Mac experience

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Post by musicale »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #2

This guy has no idea what he’s talking about. One language, one gui framework, and one API paradigm - unified across all contextual devices - is exactly what Apple should do. SwiftUI is not it by any means, but to say that the idea of SwiftUI tries to achieve is a bad aim is completely wrong. The aim of UIKit on all Apple devices is 100% correct; and allows developers to go deep into the API forest to create mystical…

Personally I'm kind of glad they let them all live. SwiftUI isn't fully baked but it seems OK.

I also kind of liked Interface Builder and Storyboards.

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