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> Do you believe violent crimes require a violent penalty? It’s certainly a common belief, imprisoning someone is inherently a violent penalty.
So the people stuck sorting out his mess, having to spend weeks in office going through the paperwork generated by one shell company after the other, should also file charges against him for aggravated assault?
Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan
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Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan
#112Wow, not hard to see how the next 9/11 will happen. The staff at the charter jet terminal were almost criminally clueless. "So, how exactly does the security work around here, anyway? Is this huge crate going to be X-rayed? Because it needs to not be X-rayed. Also, here's a $10,000 tip, just to make sure you, um, don't remember us."
There are no hardened (or any) cockpit doors on PJs, you eat with metal cutlery and often serve yourself drinks from large glass bottles.
Want to fly a plane into a building? Anyone can get a pilots license, there are no background checks. You can just rent a plane and pull off “the next 9/11”, no amount of terminal security can solve this.
What exactly is your concern? What would better security at a private jet terminal prevent?
It’s super unusual that there were any pre-departure controls at all. I’ve never had my stuff checked while flying private, except occasionally by customs, at arrival.
Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan
#113Wow, not hard to see how the next 9/11 will happen. The staff at the charter jet terminal were almost criminally clueless. "So, how exactly does the security work around here, anyway? Is this huge crate going to be X-rayed? Because it needs to not be X-rayed. Also, here's a $10,000 tip, just to make sure you, um, don't remember us."
Laws, including custom checks, passport checks, etc. are for regular people. There was even a recent program on NPR how different is the life of super-wealthy. And while super-wealthy is a totally different game, even upper middle class money already distort the reality in a much more comfortable way. I'm watching a case in Santa Clara of an NVIDIA director, a Russian immigrant, who 2 years ago being drunk and speedi…
Customs checks hardly affect regular people. Security checks are an optional service you can pay for, but probably won’t bother if it’s your own plane and isn’t full of hundreds of random people. Rich people still have passport checks, they just pay the government to send the passport control people to their private terminal (which is no different than how regular privately owned commercial airports work)
It’s all exactly the same, except as a rich person you’re far more likely to be picked for a customs check.
> The NVIDIA director on the other hand totally lawyered up, and there have since then been uncountable motions/hearings/etc. with no sign of progress.
due process bad!
Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
That makes no sense. A home burglary where no one's present is non violent. Do you think that should be punished lightly? It causes orders of magnitude less damage than a lot of financial crime.
Burglary carries a presumption of force.
Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan
#115Wow, not hard to see how the next 9/11 will happen. The staff at the charter jet terminal were almost criminally clueless. "So, how exactly does the security work around here, anyway? Is this huge crate going to be X-rayed? Because it needs to not be X-rayed. Also, here's a $10,000 tip, just to make sure you, um, don't remember us."
lol, what’s the concern? Someone will blow up their private jet with 5 people on board? boo-hoo. There are no hardened (or any) cockpit doors on PJs, you eat with metal cutlery and often serve yourself drinks from large glass bottles. Want to fly a plane into a building? Anyone can get a pilots license, there are no background checks. You can just rent a plane and pull off “the next 9/11”, no amount of terminal secur…
Yes, those are concerns.
Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
lol, what’s the concern? Someone will blow up their private jet with 5 people on board? boo-hoo. There are no hardened (or any) cockpit doors on PJs, you eat with metal cutlery and often serve yourself drinks from large glass bottles. Want to fly a plane into a building? Anyone can get a pilots license, there are no background checks. You can just rent a plane and pull off “the next 9/11”, no amount of terminal secur…
> Want to fly a plane into a building? Anyone can get a pilots license, there are no background checks. You can just rent a plane and pull off “the next 9/11”, no amount of terminal security can solve this. Yes, those are concerns.
Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Financial crimes deserve a financial penalty. Nah. Financial crimes cause real harm. And financial penalties frequently aren't sufficient disincentive. Imagine that I have no assets but am a good talker. So I go out an launch an "investment fund" that is just a Ponzi scheme. Let's suppose I take in $50m, pocket $10m, and spend the rest on "investment returns" and appearing to run a real business. I live high on the…
Being raped, assaulted or having a family member murdered is worse than losing money. Money can be repaid. You can't be unraped.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Financial crimes deserve a financial penalty. Nah. Financial crimes cause real harm. And financial penalties frequently aren't sufficient disincentive. Imagine that I have no assets but am a good talker. So I go out an launch an "investment fund" that is just a Ponzi scheme. Let's suppose I take in $50m, pocket $10m, and spend the rest on "investment returns" and appearing to run a real business. I live high on the…
Being raped, assaulted or having a family member murdered is worse than losing money. Money can be repaid. You can't be unraped.
You might be thinking about someone stealing a person's TV but what about their life savings. What about a corporation that goes bankrupt because of financial misdeeds and people lose their jobs? My dad lost his job in the mid 90s and the effects on my family involved massive stress for years.
Financial concerns/economy seems to be the most important issue to voters in almost every election ever.
It's the 5th highest reason for divorce at 36% (https://www.insider.com/why-people-get-divorced-2019-1)
It can also can result in physical issues. Maybe you can't afford healthy food, maybe you can't afford health care due to financial loss.
I couldn't find statistics but I can't imagine that in cases of theft being repaid 100% or even 50% of your loss occurs that frequency (but no source so..)
In other words some financial crimes are worse than violent crimes.
Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
"He had essentially zero chance of being acquitted" - So if I commit a crime it's morally acceptable to flee justice if the probability or evidence exceeds a certain threshold? In other words, the more proof there is that I committed a crime gives me more justification to avoid punishment? "He was the victim of Nissan executives who didn't like having a gaijin be their boss:" Prove it. "If you disagree with that, sup…
> He had essentially zero chance of being acquitted I think GP was referring to the fact that Japan has an over 99% conviction rate. Even if we presume that Japan has unusually high quality prosecutors and judges, that rate is so high that I think it’s reasonable to presume a fair number of innocent people are getting convicted (which happens lots of places, of course, but Japan’s conviction rate is still unusual).
https://web.archive.org/web/20220712033655/https://www.nippo...
I don't think it's reasonable to assume anything happens if there's an alternative explanation.
Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Financial crimes deserve a financial penalty. Financial crimes, aka crimes rich people commit, to be richer, deserve much more harsh treatment that we give them today. You can go to jail for years for shoplifting (aka crimes poor people commit) few thousand dollars worth of goods. People should be much more often sentenced to go to jail for life for committing millions of dollars worth of financial crimes.
Financial crimes are not violent and therefore should be punished lightly.