TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021) • Hacker News Board

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by throwaway0x7E6 » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:13 PM UTC

MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

because the mental illnesses being promoted today are deemed socially acceptable by the few percent of the Western population with disproportionate amount of power over our mass and social media.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by qzx_pierri » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

oldsklgdfth wrote: post #413

qzx_pierri wrote: post #305

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> The timescale of this process is ~15-20 years. Yes, it won't happen overnight. This requires a culture shift. But banning things to coddle children's mind even further will hinder the process. > I would argue that many 18+ people don't fully develop this skill. See cults, propaganda, conformity for datapoints. I agree. Which is why I initially said we should teach children critical thinking skills. > But MAYBE if y…

> Yes, it won't happen overnight. This requires a culture shift. I meant that it takes 15-20 years for critical thinking to develop. I don't think you can teach a kid critical thinking (at least anything that is useful against internet content). The best mechanism is teach them dogma/fear mongering "don't talk to strangers". > But banning things to coddle children's mind even further will hinder the process I agree w…

There is an insane lack of self awareness in this post.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by KennyBlanken » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #343

badcppdev wrote: post #334

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Because boys are allowed to play with dolls. And shouldn't think it indicates they are trans or have gender dysphoria. It's not a sign of anything. Please don't misinterpret the comment. *Edit: removed the word diagnosed as wasn't in the original comment.*

> Because boys are allowed to play with dolls. And shouldn't be diagnosed as being trans or having gender dysphoria. It's not a sign of anything. Yep, I meant exactly this. I mean... take the clothes away, and Action Man and (barbie's) Ken are practically the same doll.

What you actually implied is trans skepticism, which is a form of transphobia, questioning its legitimacy, implying that a lot of trans kids aren't actually trans, that they're being labeled that because they "play with dolls" - and this shouldn't be the case.

No kid is diagnosed with gender dysphoria for playing with dolls.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by jquery » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:15 PM UTC

navjack27 wrote: post #450

jquery wrote: post #344

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ADHD I have some experience with and can agree with you. I think it is mostly just a different mode of thinking that simply isn’t very compatible with sitting in a chair for hours listening to boring lectures. OCD is similar. The mental line between crippling OCD and a highly successful professional career with a reputation of being a “perfectionist” is a thin one. I’ve seen this line crossed, with tragic results… Al…

ADHD here at a higher level of disability. It's way more than a different mode of thinking. It's crippling and the reason I can barely function in any work setting. Medication and therapy throughout my life, since I was 2, only got me to this level. Without it I'd of probably been dead years ago from just following every impulse and getting myself in situations where I'm way over my head and way too stressed to deal…

I agree with you 100%. Sorry for being unclear. I just meant at low levels ADHD can be a different mode of thinking. Much like OCD can simply be a more cautious personality… until it becomes so cautious that it’s disabling and no longer just a “cautious personality” but a completely pathological OCD mode of thinking. It’s important to be aware of both ADHD and OCD and other mental illnesses so that we can seek treatment before the issues become intractable.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by Banana699 » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:17 PM UTC

jquery wrote: post #250

rlv-dan wrote: post #147

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It's taboo to criticise such movements because by extension you criticise those that actually have the illness. And some movements have grown quite powerful politically. If you allude that it's problematic to let children change sex, you are painted as anti lgbtixxxx. Activism has won against science.

It was never taboo to criticize pro-ana groups. Being lgbt isn’t a mental illness. Not medically speaking, anyway. Maybe they were considered such in the past. Go far enough back and we used bloodletting as a common treatment, our understanding generally improves with time. I have no desire to go back to an era where lgbt people were persecuted. With respect to your other point. “Children” is a broad category. Pre-pu…

>Instead we are being encouraged to respect their gender identity,

I, too, can rephrase bad things in superficially-positive language to make them seem like good things.

>The science on this is pretty clear

Ah, off course. THE SCIENCE^TM. The single, monolithic, Science; which by very happy coincidence happens to hold the opinions you deem acceptable.

>[1] I implore you to watch this video

I implore you to understand how bias and cherry picking works, for every heart-wrenching sob story about brave and stunning joe or jane finding their "true self" there are 10 heart-wrenching stories about kids being misled into mutilating their bodies irreversibly by their peers, teachers and caregivers as they chase their mythical true self, and the overwhelming power of state and mass media are on 1 side and not the other, namely that of trans activists.

>If you are under the impression that being trans isn’t stigmatized enough

I'm always amazed by the ability to live in parallel realities that human minds have, it's like sensory data is just an abstract high-level description that isn't enough to determine reality, and each person constructs their own reality by filling in the blank. Like, judging from my experience online, being trans is really really privileged. Is there any other groups (besides the usuals, which are also privileged) that can make public discourse salty against a comedian for 6 or 7 months straight because they made fun of the group ? Is there any case of people being outraged that comedians make fun of men ? Men literally had one of the corporations marketing products for them to shit on them in an ad in 2019, and the whole incident was forgotten in days. Yet, here you are, apparently the group that is coddled and put on a pedestal seemingly everywhere is oppressed and stigmatized.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:19 PM UTC

mensetmanusman wrote: post #465

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #349

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There's still a lot of discussion of this in the political discourse here in Norway, in fact I'd argue it's become increasingly more discussed as social media have taken over. Just recently, a law was passed requiring advertising that is edited to significantly change the physical appearance of people, to marked as such. One of the most common practices is editing to make a model's boobs look bigger, or her figure mo…

The iPhone selfie camera changes the physical appearance of the user to appear more attractive. I wonder if every selfie will have to have a notifier.

No, that would be a a clear violation of freedom of speech.

Advertising is an act of speech, but it is also an act of trying to get someone to buy something, and that act can be constrained by law.

If you wanted to regulate the iPhone camera issue, I suppose regulating Apple would be the only way to go about it, though I'm not sure if that's a good idea or not.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by Biologist123 » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:21 PM UTC

marcodiego wrote: post #185

Biologist123 wrote: post #103

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A community that does not control the narrative its members hear, will cease to be a community. A massively dystopian reality I feel we are only beginning to understand. As an aside, a TikTok employee told me TikTok is known to trigger old maladies like anorexia etc. I was told this after mentioning that trying TikTok gave me my first nicotine cravings in several years.

> A community that does not control the narrative its members hear, will cease to be a community. A community that controls the narrative its members hear, will very likely turn into a a society full of prejudices imposed dogmas.

I think you’re right. And - ick feeling - wonder if that’s where we are.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by Banana699 » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:27 PM UTC

uoaei wrote: post #521

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What makes you think you have more access to objective reality than others ?

What makes you think anyone can have access to objective reality? What makes you think a first assertion holds more weight than a second? What makes you think bubbles are not a thing? What makes you think certain phrases don't immediately betray how little someone knows about people outside of their bubble? I know enough people outside of the heteronormative experience to know that nothing about playing with Barbies…

>What makes you think anyone can have access to objective reality?

Because independent people agree, when independent sources of data agree on something, that means the thing they are agreeing on is (plausibly) larger than them, and that's what we call 'reality'.

>What makes you think a first assertion holds more weight than a second?

I don't.

>What makes you think bubbles are not a thing?

That's literally the opposite of what I said.

>I know enough people outside of the heteronormative experience to know that nothing about playing with Barbies pushes people toward being trans.

Cool, but you're missing the point that nobody claims that playing with Barbies, by itself, makes people trans. But rather what's being claimed is that certain people push the people who play Barbies into being trans, which is an entirely different thing.

>obvious naivete paired with a pre-existing ideological bias

You say this as if you don't have an obviously ample supply of those yourself.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by ModernMech » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:27 PM UTC

Banana699 wrote: post #517

ModernMech wrote: post #333

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This is a little misleading. Men attempt suicide with more reliably lethal methods like firearms, whereas women attempt suicide using more unreliably lethal methods like overdosing on medication [1]. In fact, according to your link, women attempt suicide at a rate of 1.8x that of men [2]. [1]: https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-m... [2]: https://www.datocms-assets.com/12810/1649682186-14296_af…

>Men attempt suicide with more reliably lethal methods like firearms And succeed ~4x times as much. In other words, GP is correct and you just needed to scratch an itch to nitpick.

The claim was that the number was due to cavalier attitudes, which is unsupported. I think the added context is important. Maybe you don’t, but others might. The drastic 3.8x number is more a function of the mode of suicide rather than cavalier attitudes, as far as I see it.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by feoren » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:28 PM UTC

chaoticmass wrote: post #495

I don't see it mentioned very often, but the whole "record yourself doing this funny dance" aspect of TikTok is, I think, a huge portion of why this is happening and is what makes it more powerful than other forms of social media. Getting people used to imitating what they see on the app could also be programming their minds to consciously/subconsciously imitate other things they see on there as well.

I downvoted you because this is completely unsubstantiated nonsensical speculation that boils down to "Kids these days!!". You sound like you would have protested against AD&D in the 80s and Harry Potter in the 90s for turning kids into Satanists, or violent video games in the early 00s for turning kids into school shooters. Same bullshit, different decade.