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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)
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#412I can't stop seeing the heavy gender skew in online communities centred around these topics. Both the sexual orientation as well as mental disorder communities like this seem to be most popular among teenager or young adult women. As a man I don't know how teenage hormones affect girls different than boys at that age, so I can't even give an uneducated guess as to what could be the source of this attraction towards q…
Johnathan Haidt speculates (and I'm inclined to agree), that young boys tend to do a lot more of their online socializing through video-games and less time on the algorithmically curated feeds so they're less subject to the weird effects of radicalizing "peer" pressure that the feeds impose on girls and gay kids. The boys who do get into that stuff do seem to be at special risk of pickling themselves into weird commu…
This makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for sharing!
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> We need to teach children critical thinking skills and allow them to make their own decisions The timescale of this process is ~15-20 years. "Critical thinking", "common sense" and "being an adult" all refer someone that has cultivated the ability to filter information independently. I would argue that many 18+ people don't fully develop this skill. See cults, propaganda, conformity for datapoints. I agree that we…
> The timescale of this process is ~15-20 years. Yes, it won't happen overnight. This requires a culture shift. But banning things to coddle children's mind even further will hinder the process. > I would argue that many 18+ people don't fully develop this skill. See cults, propaganda, conformity for datapoints. I agree. Which is why I initially said we should teach children critical thinking skills. > But MAYBE if y…
> Yes, it won't happen overnight. This requires a culture shift.
I meant that it takes 15-20 years for critical thinking to develop. I don't think you can teach a kid critical thinking (at least anything that is useful against internet content). The best mechanism is teach them dogma/fear mongering "don't talk to strangers".
> But banning things to coddle children's mind even further will hinder the process I agree with banning content. The technology needs to be eliminated. I realize this is an extreme view, but little value comes from giving kids tech. Tell them to go play outside and explore the world.
> And if a child has incompetent parents, then no proposed solution matters at the end of the day. Yup, the best you can do is TRY to be a good parent and maybe help out with friends that are struggling.
> ? You notice how everyone is politically divided? People are anxious about the future? It's never not been the case that "things are bad" and "life is unpredictable", what is different is the hysteria around "it's the end of days".
All that is social media. Prior to internet, TV told us what to think. It was a unified message - communism bad, nazis bad, etc. Even opposition media was mostly investigative and finding really messed up stuff to "correct" the system. Because these were professional journalists creating an elegant narrative of the world around us. Obviously, 24hr news was the downfall of that. But even there, it was left and right.
Enter the internet, which democratized free speech (GOOD). But ANYONE can say ANYTHING (BAD). Which is how you get ridiculously outlandish conspiracies, niche political movements and just general hate towards everything.
So this social trend of desperation and hopelessness, that's social media.
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#415For all of human history across every culture, parents would do what they could to keep their kids away from “bad influences”. You move to certain areas, go to certain places, are members of certain organizations etc. which serve to socialize your kids with kids from families that have shared values. You don’t talk to strangers. With the internet and especially media like TikTok parents are exposing their kids to unt…
> It’s no wonder so many kids think they have mental disorders or any of the other mind viruses going around. Every older generation has said this about the incoming generation - without fail. I'll take the flip side. There are so many great social medias about loving yourself, loving your kids, crying is okay for dudes, and men don't have to be a certain way (i'm a dude). It's okay not to know how to change your oil…
I'm not sure what you are trying to convey here.
Changing oil and car tires, shooting a gun, fishing and performing basic repairs critical life skills that everyone should learn. If you are an adult male and can't complete some of the most basic tasks without help, you will have a difficult time living on your own.
Loving yourself, being "proud" of homosexuality (I find this rather odd; why make your "sexuality" your core identity?) and knowing how to navigate the world are not mutually exclusive.
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> This shows that someone can climb to the top of the social world but still be told they have a disease supposedly associated with "significant negative impact" on social skills. Narcissists, sociopaths regularly climb up while being impaired and causing damage everyone around. People with OCD or hypochondriac too. Bipolar people the same. That does not make those non existent either.
I don't see how your mention of OCD, bipolar disorder, narcissisms or sociopathy is relevant to someone with a supposed social skill disorder being really good at navigating and conquering the social world. To me the claim that Musk has Aspergers is like being told an Olympic marathon runner has a leg disability.
Asperger is by definition mild variant. It is not equivalent leg disability. Plus, lack of empathy can be advantage in business - you care less about impact on others.
Asperger is not something that excludes you from success.
OCD and being bipolar have much graver consequences on your life and success.
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I feel like this falls on parents, once again. What is a valid use-case that a child/teenager requires a phone? I would argue that don't need unrestricted internet access too, but education has largely moved online.
Phone is literally only way how they can organize social life. Houses don't have landlines anymore. Teenager without phone means no socialization outside organized activities.
> no socialization outside organized activities
The point of those is to restrict influence and keep an eye on things.
Also, why can you socialize with the neighbors. Parents used to be super comfortable with "tommy is coming over for dinner or spending that night"
Is that still the case? I don't have any anecdotes on this.
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That's honestly a difference of opinion as to who should have the "say".
Many trans people that I've talked to have told me that they knew pretty early on. One school of thought says that the actual individual in question should be empowered for themselves. Another school of thought says that the parent has the right to restrict that if it goes against their beliefs.
Very tricky issue. I tend to lean towards personal autonomy. In my own way, I've been denied personal autonomy (even into my early 40s) and I tend to respect that for others. The cost of getting this wrong, regardless of which way the truth lies, can be extremely detrimental to a person's well being. My understanding is that the science points towards transition being appropriate for a person's well being.
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At first I thought you were talking about the popular “family” theory of the mind. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Family_Systems_Mode... But now after clicking these links I’m reminded why I stay on the surface of the internet.
FWIW - Internal Family Systems has been a very helpful therapeutic tool for someone I know suffering from Childhood PTSD. It has nothing to do with... whatever this TikTok/Social Media thing is.
Schema therapy has fairly similar underpinnings, your mind operates in various "modes" which can communicate internally. Some modes are helpful, some are maladaptive.
Kinda wonder if Marvin Minsky had something useful to say on this? I recall he wrote a book on how the mind is socially organized
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#420I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…
The idea that there are multiple people in the mind is likely a reflection of its malleability just as is the (typical) conception that there's a single person with a single concrete, tangible identity in there. The fact that different groups of humans plausibly claim to experience one or the other state of being likely tells us something about the flexibility of the substrate we're running on. Moreover plural self-conceptions seem pretty compatible with some well-regarded (while very speculative) theories of mind, e.g. Dennett's multiple drafts model.