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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Related: medical students' disease! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_students%27_disease

I was looking for a comment like this before adding my own.

I went through the first two years of a psychology degree alternately diagnosing myself with every mental illness under the sun, despite me knowing deep down that it wasn't really the case. The thing that stopped it dead was watching clinical videos of people who really did have serious mental illness. I wonder if the same would work for some of these people, presuming they're being suggestible.

I remember in particular one video of a man with bipolar disorder in a manic phase, who was in his mid-20s when the video was filmed during the late 80s, and who was convinced that he'd been the Rolling Stones tour manager in the 1960s. There was nothing anyone could say to convince him otherwise, and he had all sorts of explanations for the mismatch in dates. We were laughing a bit because it was so clearly delusional, when the lecturer pause the video and said something like "yeah, it's kinda funny, but I remember getting a call from a friend who asked my clinical opinion about the fact he thought that the adverts for a bank on TV were telling everyone he was gay." We got pretty quiet after that.

It chimes with the trivialisation of terms like OCD, which are use very filppantly, but anyone who's seen a clinical video of someone with full-blown OCD, which can be completely crippling, wouldn't use it so lightly.

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I think there's an interesting phenomenon where the lower bound of "bad influences" has gotten much lower in a lot of places that used to be safe. Previously, bad influences were limited to what your local neighborhood kids were telling your kid. This could be bad, they could be torturing cats or something, but that wasn't likely. And that floor could be raised by society as a whole improving. Now, with TikTok, the o…

Banning "undesirable topics" isn't the solution, but only a band-aid. We need to teach children critical thinking skills and allow them to make their own decisions. The former might be easier, but the latter is the most beneficial in the long run.

> We need to teach children critical thinking skills and allow them to make their own decisions

The timescale of this process is ~15-20 years. "Critical thinking", "common sense" and "being an adult" all refer someone that has cultivated the ability to filter information independently.

I would argue that many 18+ people don't fully develop this skill. See cults, propaganda, conformity for datapoints.

I agree that we SHOULD teach children critical thinking. But MAYBE if you give them a smartphone and social media you should expect this type of result.

In general, I think that the move from TV (where CNN had "authority") to the internet (influencers have the power) can explain some social trends that are going on. Ex. conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen these days with youtube videos slowly hypnotizing you.

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> It’s no wonder so many kids think they have mental disorders or any of the other mind viruses going around. Every older generation has said this about the incoming generation - without fail. I'll take the flip side. There are so many great social medias about loving yourself, loving your kids, crying is okay for dudes, and men don't have to be a certain way (i'm a dude). It's okay not to know how to change your oil…

I sympathize with everyone who looks at tiktok and starts to cry. That said I think this "you are allowed to show feelings" is extremely out of place and out of time. And not good general advice at all. You should not show your feelings to just anyone. You should have self worth and share with those you trust. There is a reason why PR exists for people in the public sphere. Most people will treat you kindly and it is…

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The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

The language has shifted as well. You’re not sad, you’re depressed. You don’t worry, you have anxiety. Depression and anxiety are medical diagnoses. The other are normal emotions everyone can, should, and does experience. If you don’t ever worry or get sad about anything there’s probably something else wrong with you. In terms of diagnoses, the DSM-4 included a “bereavement exclusion” from the depression diagnostic c…

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Banning "undesirable topics" isn't the solution, but only a band-aid. We need to teach children critical thinking skills and allow them to make their own decisions. The former might be easier, but the latter is the most beneficial in the long run.

Children literally don't have the developed cognitive capabilities to critically think, nor should they be making their own decisions every time. This is an absolutely inane suggestion. I don't know when it started happening, but why do we continue to let these companies off the hook for their absolutely terrible externalities? Banning these topics if your platform allows children, preteens, etc is absolutely an effe…

I feel like this falls on parents, once again.

What is a valid use-case that a child/teenager requires a phone?

I would argue that don't need unrestricted internet access too, but education has largely moved online.

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It certainly matters: Many kids watching TikTok also start imagining wrong things about their sexuality. Apparently up to 25% of the upcoming zoomers identify as LGBTQ. Obviously, biological, empirical nonsense. Turns out most of it is absolute imagination yet many start to undergo hormone therapy etc immediately. There's a whole detrans movement of such folks who regret doing such, often irreversible, massive damage…

> Apparently up to 25% of the upcoming zoomers identify as LGBTQ. Obviously, biological, empirical nonsense. Much lower than it probably is. Most people, by my estimate, aren't perfect 0 or 6 on the Kinsey scale [0]. The majority of people are somewhere between 1 and 5. It's still a bimodal distribution but I'd estimate most people aren't purely gay or straight. Sexuality is similar to mental illness in my opinion (S…

> Sexuality is similar to mental illness in my opinion ..., there are sub-clinical cases where someone can have a degree of it but it doesn't cross a threshold where it becomes behaviourly significant.

Honestly seems like a perfect comparison in my experience as well.

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My question is: Does this actually matter? Does this have a lasting impact or do the kids simply move on with no negative changes to their lives? I remember thinking a lot of dumb stuff as a teenager. Just because I thought it doesn't mean it was bad that I did.

It certainly matters: Many kids watching TikTok also start imagining wrong things about their sexuality. Apparently up to 25% of the upcoming zoomers identify as LGBTQ. Obviously, biological, empirical nonsense. Turns out most of it is absolute imagination yet many start to undergo hormone therapy etc immediately. There's a whole detrans movement of such folks who regret doing such, often irreversible, massive damage…

Is it really nonsense, or are people from our generation and older just stifled to fit themselves into very narrow boxes that the younger folks are refusing to comply with?

> There's a whole detrans movement of such folks who regret doing such, often irreversible, massive damage to their body.

I looked into this a while back and found that the vast majority of this "movement" was british transphobes making up stories about their friend who this definitely happened to. Didn't seem to have a whole lot of legitimacy to it.

Why British specifically? Beats me but they were definitely over-represented amongst these stories.

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Men cry in the office too, but they're better at hiding it because the social expectations are different. A few times during crunches I've heard men sobbing in the restroom instead of at their desk. Men get told to 'man up', so they bottle it up or hide it.

counterpoint: no. i been in some pretty stressful environments and never reacted like that. same for most guys i know. maybe it's different where you are but i never seen it even in private like that or with close friends.

Men commit suicide 3.8x more than women[1] due to cavalier attitudes such as yours about the mental struggles men face. I'm not saying you're a "part of the problem", I'm just saying you could really benefit from admitting to yourself that yes, men do cry. Yes, men do feel the same emotions as women. Yes, men do have to hold it in for fear of being labeled a "pussy" or be seen as "crying like a little bitch".

1: https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/

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Shows a lack of self control

That implies that the inverse, bottling up your feelings, demonstrates self-control, and that self-control is always a desirable trait. I disagree with both. Expressing your feelings is a part of good communication, and feeling free to express sadness or frustration as needed is how you stave off the kinds of arguments and blowups that have much more severe consequences.

Moderating your own behavior is about being cognizant of your emotions and the associated causes/effects, not ignoring them.

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Allowing teens to spread mental illness on social media was less profitable in the 00s. There was a low cost to shutting down pro-ana tumblr accounts. Now, those sites are worth hundreds of billions of dollars. Can't afford to do the right thing.

> Now, those sites are worth hundreds of billions of dollars. Can't afford to do the right thing. Which sites? Tumblr was started in 2007 - it wasn't very big until 2009. I'm not sure why it's even in your comparison. The only company worth hundreds of billions of dollars remotely relevant is Facebook and - possibly - TikTok. Are you implying that the majority of their business is promoting teen mental illness and ea…

> Are you implying that the majority of their business is promoting teen mental illness and eating disorders?

These websites will do anything to prevent teens from migrating to a new platform. The majority of content, even teen content, isn't the unhealthy trends, but they will do nothing to curb it if it risks nudging that cohort to a competitor.

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