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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by watwut »

Ardon wrote: post #34
nemo44x wrote: post #15

For all of human history across every culture, parents would do what they could to keep their kids away from “bad influences”. You move to certain areas, go to certain places, are members of certain organizations etc. which serve to socialize your kids with kids from families that have shared values. You don’t talk to strangers. With the internet and especially media like TikTok parents are exposing their kids to unt…

I think there's an interesting phenomenon where the lower bound of "bad influences" has gotten much lower in a lot of places that used to be safe. Previously, bad influences were limited to what your local neighborhood kids were telling your kid. This could be bad, they could be torturing cats or something, but that wasn't likely. And that floor could be raised by society as a whole improving. Now, with TikTok, the o…

More likely bad influences were excessive alcohol, drugs, teenage pregnancies, minor crime, violence. Those are all less frequent then they used to be.

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Post by freebreakfast »

woodruffw wrote: post #70
freebreakfast wrote: post #46

I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…

I think there are more charitable ways to look at this. Even if you doubt that some of these people don’t have the disorder they’ve self-diagnosed themselves with (thinking you’re a dragon is an extreme one), it’s clear that something about the situation requires professional evaluation. That, in turn, is made more difficult by clinical perceptions of MPD: many psychiatrists are openly skeptical that it’s a “real” di…

The vast majority of those claiming to have Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) on TikTok do not need professional evaluation. They're teenagers behaving like teenagers. They're experimenting with different identities to see which one fits. They'll move on.

"Dissociative identity disorder (DID) is a rare condition in which two or more distinct identities, or personality states, are present in—and alternately take control of—an individual."[0]

0. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/dissociative-i...

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by bilsbie »

nemo44x wrote: post #15

For all of human history across every culture, parents would do what they could to keep their kids away from “bad influences”. You move to certain areas, go to certain places, are members of certain organizations etc. which serve to socialize your kids with kids from families that have shared values. You don’t talk to strangers. With the internet and especially media like TikTok parents are exposing their kids to unt…

A tale as old as time.

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Post by watwut »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #88
irjustin wrote: post #58

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> It’s no wonder so many kids think they have mental disorders or any of the other mind viruses going around. Every older generation has said this about the incoming generation - without fail. I'll take the flip side. There are so many great social medias about loving yourself, loving your kids, crying is okay for dudes, and men don't have to be a certain way (i'm a dude). It's okay not to know how to change your oil…

I sympathize with everyone who looks at tiktok and starts to cry. That said I think this "you are allowed to show feelings" is extremely out of place and out of time. And not good general advice at all. You should not show your feelings to just anyone. You should have self worth and share with those you trust. There is a reason why PR exists for people in the public sphere. Most people will treat you kindly and it is…

Why is being visibly sad or happy something that should lower your self worth?

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Post by maxsilver »

freebreakfast wrote: post #46

I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…

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Post by rlv-dan »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

It's taboo to criticise such movements because by extension you criticise those that actually have the illness. And some movements have grown quite powerful politically. If you allude that it's problematic to let children change sex, you are painted as anti lgbtixxxx. Activism has won against science.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by washbrain »

jrm4 wrote: post #124
washbrain wrote: post #57

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What's with the scare quotes and the use of "so called"? You can ask your question without them and it will feel a whole lot less patronizing.

I'm skeptical of all of them in their current form. It helps bolster my argument. I acknowledge that I might be wrong, and if it inspires someone to call me out in an effective way, great! Now, ask yourself -- in a forum that's supposed to be about discussion and answering questions, why do you think it's very important to police how I use punctuation?

It's not policing, I'm suggesting that in a dialogue the use of scare quotes signals a negative interest in actually engaging in discussion. Typically, scare quotes will be interpreted as someone who has already made their mind up and won't be moved.

Compare:

"I'm skeptical about the prevalence of autism in teens."

"I'm skeptical about the prevalence of "autism" in teens."

The first absolutely conveys your skepticism, but doesn't come with an implied sneer.

I don't know, maybe this feedback isn't useful or you reject it, that's fine too. I just figured you may want to know that the way folks might interpret the quotes might be heavier than you intended.

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Post by washbrain »

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washbrain wrote: post #51

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TikTok wasn't around a decade ago. I also suspect that systems cringe might not be the best source for understanding plural folks... It might be worth trying to understand before casting aspersions.

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Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by watwut »

amelius wrote: post #73
AlexandrB wrote: post #62

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> For all of human history across every culture, parents would do what they could to keep their kids away from “bad influences”. Not to be pedantic, but is this actually true? Parents used to send their kids to work in the factory at 10. Was that "keeping them away from bad influences"? If you're saying something is "across every culture", I think some citation is required.

I bet it was better than TikTok challenges that went wrong.

Totally, photos of street kids: - https://sk.pinterest.com/pin/6544361950034985/ - https://sk.pinterest.com/pin/2392606043703676/ - https://sk.pinterest.com/pin/340725528070828317/ - https://sk.pinterest.com/pin/824158800572041820/

and so on

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