TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021) • Hacker News Board

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by Apocryphon » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:02 PM UTC

MichaelCollins wrote: post #452

Apocryphon wrote: post #408

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Formalize it into combat sports, with rules, referees, and medical personnel on staff. Or just competitive sports in general. But don't permit physical bullying. Your experiences elide over cases where there was serious harm done to the victim, physical or otherwise, or led to disproportionate retaliation.

Heh, most of the fights I ever got in were in the context of a competitive sports team. There was always informal refereeing; other people on the team pulling the fight apart when they decided it was over. And there is an unspoken code of conduct; putting somebody in a headlock ended the fight, and you would never try to do something insane like gouging somebody's eyes out. Of course sometimes a small minority of peo…

You're also overlooking that physical bullying usually goes hand-in-hand with psychological/social bullying. A bully is not going to be choosy about tactics. But this whole tangent is orthogonal to the original discussion, anyway: schoolyard fights aren't necessarily about bullying, as they may involve combatants who are on equal footing. The ones you're describing certainly sound like disputes between parties of parity, more than a situation when one party is being dominated by another. A fight where a bully pummels the victim and is free to continue the torment doesn't really solve anything.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by smoldesu » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

jklinger410 wrote: post #25

Tangentially related. I think capitalism increases self-reported rates of mental illness because individuals who are not achieving the highest goals they set for themselves are looking for an easy excuse as to why they can't achieve them. I think levels of anxiety are also on the rise, which causes many symptoms which are similar to more severe mental illnesses. Which also reinforces my first point.

This is somehow more likely than the possibility that capitalism encourages people to self-diagnose because it's profitable? I think Occam's Razor would suggest that the much simpler explanation is that a nation of supposedly sick people is a great audience to market your panacea to (see: Adderall, opioids, amphetamines, etc.)

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by devwastaken » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

Psychology is not a hard science, it's not a computer where you can prove what will happen. Therefore when applied by clinics the only way to diagnose is based off of the patients own words. If you say the right things to mark off DSM5 symptoms, then you get that diagnosis.

I don't blame social media for this, while it is true that it has heavily increased knowledge of various real illnesses, and therefore increased the case of false positives - clinics should be able to differentiate between this. That's the point. The professional should be able to properly diagnose, because the patient themselves doesn't know what the problem is or how to treat it.

But there in comes the "do no harm" idea. Where we have to do something because if we get it wrong and didn't prescribe pills then the patient may kill themselves or harm others. And conveniently we can point and say "we did it by the book, no liability.". It should be recoined "do harm to everyone equally" for correctness.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:04 PM UTC

rlv-dan wrote: post #147

MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

It's taboo to criticise such movements because by extension you criticise those that actually have the illness. And some movements have grown quite powerful politically. If you allude that it's problematic to let children change sex, you are painted as anti lgbtixxxx. Activism has won against science.

By extension it calls into question the whole surge of gender identity issues. Or at least there is a fear that it will. Better to give a wide berth to these issues.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by mensetmanusman » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:05 PM UTC

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #349

MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

There's still a lot of discussion of this in the political discourse here in Norway, in fact I'd argue it's become increasingly more discussed as social media have taken over. Just recently, a law was passed requiring advertising that is edited to significantly change the physical appearance of people, to marked as such. One of the most common practices is editing to make a model's boobs look bigger, or her figure mo…

The iPhone selfie camera changes the physical appearance of the user to appear more attractive. I wonder if every selfie will have to have a notifier.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by kayodelycaon » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:05 PM UTC

navjack27 wrote: post #454

Note for the hacker news comments: you'll see a lot of people not putting sarcasm markers next to what they say and then a whole bunch of replies thinking that person was serious and there's a whole lot of misunderstanding going on in a lot of these comments and that's a problem. Tone indicators are important.

Tact is important too. This isn’t a good article to be making sarcastic comments on. :)

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:07 PM UTC

alphabettsy wrote: post #237

rlv-dan wrote: post #147

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It's taboo to criticise such movements because by extension you criticise those that actually have the illness. And some movements have grown quite powerful politically. If you allude that it's problematic to let children change sex, you are painted as anti lgbtixxxx. Activism has won against science.

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Why do you have to be well meaning to criticize? Criticism is criticism. It seems like a no true scottsman fallacy where you can deflect any criticism as not well meaning.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by DoughnutHole » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:07 PM UTC

nonameiguess wrote: post #242

giraffe_lady wrote: post #100

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Interesting, their use for that is so common I assumed it was a real effect. People who use them that way definitely think it helps. Prescription stimulants are also pretty powerful mood boosters though so I imagine it's very easy to assume you're smarter while on them just because they make you feel great. Anyway thanks for the info, definitely upends an assumption I'd had for years.

I was a biology major several decades ago now, which is a major dominated by extremely competitive pre-med students trying to get into Harvard Medical School. Taking speed during finals week was extremely common. I only tried it once personally, and I can't say it helped me concentrate better, because I could already concentrate perfectly fine to begin with. But I could not concentrate for 16-20 hours a day, every da…

Yea stimulants probably don't really offer much of a performance boost to an already healthy brain - but if your brain is already defective from fatigue they can keep you going beyond what's humanly possible.

The Germans didn't ply their soldiers with speed in WWII because it improved their reflexes or their tactics - they did it so a soldier could fight when his brain would otherwise be mush from not sleeping in days. Anyone can benefit from just having more usable hours in a day.

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:09 PM UTC

jayd16 wrote: post #431

rlv-dan wrote: post #147

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It's taboo to criticise such movements because by extension you criticise those that actually have the illness. And some movements have grown quite powerful politically. If you allude that it's problematic to let children change sex, you are painted as anti lgbtixxxx. Activism has won against science.

>Activism has won against science. What are you trying to say here? Problematic isn't a scientific quantity but maybe you're throwing this in from some other context? Personally, these days I see people of all walks invoking science when they just mean "my own common sense."

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Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by a_shovel » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:10 PM UTC

badcppdev wrote: post #406

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I've realised I was wrong in my response. The comment you were reacting to did not mention the word diagnose. And I shouldn't have used it in my response. You seemed to have jumped to a conclusion, used the word diagnose, and you are now trying to argue about the use of that word.

I use "diagnose" in the casual sense of "tell someone something about themself", not the strict sense of a doctor identifying a condition. The specific word is irrelevant.

The myth is that people realize they are trans because other people told them they are trans, instead of that person realizing it themself. This lets bigots choose between casting trans people as insidious recruiter, seeking out innocent children for conversion, and casting them as helpless victim, too indoctrinated to know what's best for them. Either way, it allows them options for disregarding the views of trans people that that just aren't available when you accept that being transgender is a genuine and considered view of one's self.