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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by jayd16 »

rlv-dan wrote: post #147
MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

It's taboo to criticise such movements because by extension you criticise those that actually have the illness. And some movements have grown quite powerful politically. If you allude that it's problematic to let children change sex, you are painted as anti lgbtixxxx. Activism has won against science.

>Activism has won against science.

What are you trying to say here? Problematic isn't a scientific quantity but maybe you're throwing this in from some other context? Personally, these days I see people of all walks invoking science when they just mean "my own common sense."

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Post by mensetmanusman »

a_shovel wrote: post #371
badcppdev wrote: post #334

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Because boys are allowed to play with dolls. And shouldn't think it indicates they are trans or have gender dysphoria. It's not a sign of anything. Please don't misinterpret the comment. *Edit: removed the word diagnosed as wasn't in the original comment.*

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It’s interesting that mental illness is so stigmatize that even suggesting someone may have mental illness is “phobic”.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

Volundr wrote: post #395
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #189

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The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

> You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. This literally does not happen.

Depends on which bubble you live in.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by jnovek »

fsociety wrote: post #373
collegeburner wrote: post #254

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do you have somewhere where i can read more about this? i havent seen it before and am interested.

Shared a good article about this below. You can see the bias crop up in the comments here unfortunately. I would say there are as many uninformed opinions on here as there are with people on TikTok self-diagnosing themselves with a mental illness. It is quite sad. I personally know that being diagnosed with depression when you have ADHD instead is debilitating. It feels like nothing will fix you. But then with an ADH…

“…diagnostic errors cause 40,000-80,000 deaths in the US alone…”

If it’s as high as 80,000 per year, that would be about the same as U.S. automobile and gun-related deaths combined.

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Post by com2kid »

PheonixPharts wrote: post #172
NamTaf wrote: post #64

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The difference is that hyperpowerful social media algorithms have weaponised it. Kids in the 90s had to actively seek out whatever propaganda or whatnot that they wanted to read about. If you were a pissed-off goth kid wanting to read how to bomb something, you had to genuinely work to find shit like that. These days, you linger on an auto-playing video too long (that is quite possibly intentionally engineered to bai…

> If you were a pissed-off goth kid wanting to read how to bomb something, you had to genuinely work to find shit like that. Every pissed off goth kid I knew in the 90s had a copy of the Anarchist cook book on a 1.44mb floppy disk. We probably burned more than our fair share of holes in our backyards, but it wasn't access to information that was limiting us doing harm to our peers. If anything I think it was having a…

> I get more worried about teens today because I no longer see packs of kids getting in trouble together. The only kids I know that ended up in real trouble where the ones that eventually got alienated from that pack as well.

Spending time physically around other people fires off a lot of nice neurotransmitters, even for people who are introverted and who would rather not be spending a lot of time around other people.

One figures COVID lock downs would have hammered this point into the global consciousness.

Of course too isolated of a group and things get super weird and everything can quickly go off the rails.

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Post by Apocryphon »

anotherman554 wrote: post #380
watwut wrote: post #339

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> This shows that someone can climb to the top of the social world but still be told they have a disease supposedly associated with "significant negative impact" on social skills. Narcissists, sociopaths regularly climb up while being impaired and causing damage everyone around. People with OCD or hypochondriac too. Bipolar people the same. That does not make those non existent either.

I don't see how your mention of OCD, bipolar disorder, narcissisms or sociopathy is relevant to someone with a supposed social skill disorder being really good at navigating and conquering the social world. To me the claim that Musk has Aspergers is like being told an Olympic marathon runner has a leg disability.

Oscar Pistorius was both a Paralympic and an Olympic sprinter despite having no feet.

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Post by kube-system »

kkielhofner wrote: post #280
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #189

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The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

The language has shifted as well. You’re not sad, you’re depressed. You don’t worry, you have anxiety. Depression and anxiety are medical diagnoses. The other are normal emotions everyone can, should, and does experience. If you don’t ever worry or get sad about anything there’s probably something else wrong with you. In terms of diagnoses, the DSM-4 included a “bereavement exclusion” from the depression diagnostic c…

Just because it is a "normal" thing doesn't mean it isn't something that medicine can address. Many of the unpleasant things our bodies go through are "normal" reactions to events.

The fact that bereavement may be different than other causes of depression may be a reason to treat it differently, but not a reason to ignore it.

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Post by DoughnutHole »

solumunus wrote: post #238
DoughnutHole wrote: post #20

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Well the problem with ADHD is the same problem of pretty much all psychological disorders - diagnosis is only ever really fuzzily falsifiable. You get diagnosed with it if you tick enough of the boxes of behaviours/dysfunctions associated with it - you can fall short of a diagnosis by one behaviour and still be in a very similar condition to a diagnosed person, or tick enough boxes but fall short based on the diagnos…

> The interesting thing is that despite the condition being composed of a wide gamut of seemingly unrelated behaviour, ~90% of people with ADHD respond extremely well to the same treatment - stimulant medication. This is constantly presented as some sort of ultimate validation of these disorders and every time I read it I'm absolutely baffled. Stimulants used in ADHD medication improve focus and productivity for almo…

There's a wide spectrum of symptoms that are very effectively treated by stimulants in people with ADHD apart from focus/productivity, including anxiety, insomnia, working memory, and emotional regulation. Outside of treating ADHD stimulants will more typically make all of these things worse, not better.

The most unusual aspect of stimulant treatment for ADHD is for the hyperactive and combined types - stimulants reduce hyperactivity and impulsive behaviour, and people with ADHD on low dose stimulants are less likely to engage in reckless behaviour or develop problems with substance abuse - not things you'd ever say about stimulants and the average person.

You certainly don't get too many neurotypical people finding they can finally nap once they're on low-dose amphetamines.

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